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11 Aug 2007, 1:13 pm

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He might know God. People may not choose directly to be gay, but it could be result of all their other choices. And maybe some choices of others around them too. What you know and what you think you know are two different things, anyway.

I liked girls as young as 5/6 years old. Any choice I had made must have then been before that, when I was too young to understand/remember it. So as far as that is concerned, I made no choice. To me, all the evidence points towards it being hormonal. Or at least in some way biological. And I'm not just saying this because I'm biased; I would much prefer it if I could say that I had chosen to be gay. And I came to this conclusion several years ago, before I'd even admitted it or accepted it myself, I still viewed myself as straight.

You were thinking about that sort of thing at 5/6 years old. I thought puberty didnt happen any earlier than 10?

Not about sex, no. It doesn't have to be sexual. I didn't even know what sex was when I was 6.

Well I would hope you felt platonic love for people of both sexes. As for the sex one, i knew at that age, but that is another story.

Obviously I loved some men as well. There are male members of my family. I didn't mean love.



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11 Aug 2007, 1:56 pm

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He might know God. People may not choose directly to be gay, but it could be result of all their other choices. And maybe some choices of others around them too. What you know and what you think you know are two different things, anyway.

I liked girls as young as 5/6 years old. Any choice I had made must have then been before that, when I was too young to understand/remember it. So as far as that is concerned, I made no choice. To me, all the evidence points towards it being hormonal. Or at least in some way biological. And I'm not just saying this because I'm biased; I would much prefer it if I could say that I had chosen to be gay. And I came to this conclusion several years ago, before I'd even admitted it or accepted it myself, I still viewed myself as straight.

You were thinking about that sort of thing at 5/6 years old. I thought puberty didnt happen any earlier than 10?

Not about sex, no. It doesn't have to be sexual. I didn't even know what sex was when I was 6.

Well I would hope you felt platonic love for people of both sexes. As for the sex one, i knew at that age, but that is another story.

Obviously I loved some men as well. There are male members of my family. I didn't mean love.

You mean sexual attaction? Now you have got me confused...



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11 Aug 2007, 2:04 pm

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How do YOU know that I don't know God is real? God is my best and truest friend, and always will be, and for you to say He doesn't exist is as insulting as it is ridiculous.

You don't know for sure, you just believe it, it's a difference.
Saying he doesn't exist is an insult for you.
well,
Saying homosexuality is wrong and a choice is a great INSULT and also RIDICULOUS, don't you see?


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11 Aug 2007, 2:10 pm

Hadron wrote:
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He might know God. People may not choose directly to be gay, but it could be result of all their other choices. And maybe some choices of others around them too. What you know and what you think you know are two different things, anyway.

I liked girls as young as 5/6 years old. Any choice I had made must have then been before that, when I was too young to understand/remember it. So as far as that is concerned, I made no choice. To me, all the evidence points towards it being hormonal. Or at least in some way biological. And I'm not just saying this because I'm biased; I would much prefer it if I could say that I had chosen to be gay. And I came to this conclusion several years ago, before I'd even admitted it or accepted it myself, I still viewed myself as straight.

You were thinking about that sort of thing at 5/6 years old. I thought puberty didnt happen any earlier than 10?

Not about sex, no. It doesn't have to be sexual. I didn't even know what sex was when I was 6.

Well I would hope you felt platonic love for people of both sexes. As for the sex one, i knew at that age, but that is another story.

Obviously I loved some men as well. There are male members of my family. I didn't mean love.

You mean sexual attaction? Now you have got me confused...

LOL
Hadron comments make me laugh, please go on, I want to entertain myself a little.


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11 Aug 2007, 2:12 pm

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He might know God. People may not choose directly to be gay, but it could be result of all their other choices. And maybe some choices of others around them too. What you know and what you think you know are two different things, anyway.

I liked girls as young as 5/6 years old. Any choice I had made must have then been before that, when I was too young to understand/remember it. So as far as that is concerned, I made no choice. To me, all the evidence points towards it being hormonal. Or at least in some way biological. And I'm not just saying this because I'm biased; I would much prefer it if I could say that I had chosen to be gay. And I came to this conclusion several years ago, before I'd even admitted it or accepted it myself, I still viewed myself as straight.

You were thinking about that sort of thing at 5/6 years old. I thought puberty didnt happen any earlier than 10?

Not about sex, no. It doesn't have to be sexual. I didn't even know what sex was when I was 6.

Well I would hope you felt platonic love for people of both sexes. As for the sex one, i knew at that age, but that is another story.

Obviously I loved some men as well. There are male members of my family. I didn't mean love.

You mean sexual attaction? Now you have got me confused...

LOL
Hadron comments make me laugh, please go on, I want to entertain myself a little.

And how exactly were you going to do that... :P



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11 Aug 2007, 2:13 pm

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How do YOU know that I don't know God is real? God is my best and truest friend, and always will be, and for you to say He doesn't exist is as insulting as it is ridiculous.

Aww, I had imaginary friends too. Although I kind of grew out of it a while ago. :P

I remember I saw this phrase somewhere:
"God is an imaginary friend for adults"

It's not the case here on this thread, I just remember I saw that a while ago on the web, I think it was a signature, probably. I really don't remember.


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11 Aug 2007, 2:15 pm

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How do YOU know that I don't know God is real? God is my best and truest friend, and always will be, and for you to say He doesn't exist is as insulting as it is ridiculous.

Aww, I had imaginary friends too. Although I kind of grew out of it a while ago. :P

I remember I saw this phrase somewhere:
"God is an imaginary friend for adults"

And molested children...



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11 Aug 2007, 2:18 pm

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LOL
Hadron comments make me laugh, please go on, I want to entertain myself a little.

And how exactly were you going to do that... :P


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I remember I saw this phrase somewhere:
"God is an imaginary friend for adults"

And molested children...

I'm being entertained at this brilliant comment for example.


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11 Aug 2007, 2:20 pm

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LOL
Hadron comments make me laugh, please go on, I want to entertain myself a little.

And how exactly were you going to do that... :P


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I remember I saw this phrase somewhere:
"God is an imaginary friend for adults"

And molested children...

I'm being entertained at this brilliant comment for example.

Oh excellent. I probably shouldnt have posted that one, but oh well...



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11 Aug 2007, 2:26 pm

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You mean sexual attaction? Now you have got me confused...

Not sexual attraction. I liked them. I dunno, I thought they were cute or whatever. I can't remember how a 5 year old views things, but I know I liked girls and it wasn't sexual. Lots of people do at that age: when my little brother started primary school, a load of the girls in his class used to follow him around because they liked him. It wasn't sexual because they were only 4 or 5 years old, but it's some low level of 'attraction' that will develop into attraction once they become teenagers or whatever. It's the same for gay people only they're more likely to remember it when they're older because they can't understand why they like boys when they're a boy themselves etc. So I 'liked' girls, but not in a sexual way at the time. I dunno if I explained that well.



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11 Aug 2007, 2:28 pm

greenblue wrote:
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How do YOU know that I don't know God is real? God is my best and truest friend, and always will be, and for you to say He doesn't exist is as insulting as it is ridiculous.

Aww, I had imaginary friends too. Although I kind of grew out of it a while ago. :P

I remember I saw this phrase somewhere:
"God is an imaginary friend for adults"

It's not the case here on this thread, I just remember I saw that a while ago on the web, I think it was a signature, probably. I really don't remember.

I think I've seen that before as well. I like the Santa comparison as well lol
It's funny because it's true. :P



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11 Aug 2007, 2:29 pm

Sopho wrote:
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He might know God. People may not choose directly to be gay, but it could be result of all their other choices. And maybe some choices of others around them too. What you know and what you think you know are two different things, anyway.

I liked girls as young as 5/6 years old. Any choice I had made must have then been before that, when I was too young to understand/remember it. So as far as that is concerned, I made no choice. To me, all the evidence points towards it being hormonal. Or at least in some way biological. And I'm not just saying this because I'm biased; I would much prefer it if I could say that I had chosen to be gay. And I came to this conclusion several years ago, before I'd even admitted it or accepted it myself, I still viewed myself as straight.

You were thinking about that sort of thing at 5/6 years old. I thought puberty didnt happen any earlier than 10?

Not about sex, no. It doesn't have to be sexual. I didn't even know what sex was when I was 6.

Well I would hope you felt platonic love for people of both sexes. As for the sex one, i knew at that age, but that is another story.

Obviously I loved some men as well. There are male members of my family. I didn't mean love.

Obviously he was missing the point, also with Ragtime.
You (Sopho) really make good points here, but they decide not to read them or ignore them, or they don't get it. You made it clear that you didn't chose this, they won't accept or ignore it. Ragtime however has an excuse, I know he won't accept it because it would contradict things he strongly holds on to EMOTIONALLY not logically, this other fella, I really don't know.


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11 Aug 2007, 2:33 pm

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2. Specifically ffs? Is that another sh** joke? No it isn't/ Someone could be attracted to people of the same sex but be asexual and therefore not sleep with them, or for whatever other reason. Stop trying to make out that gay marriage is about nothing but sex. It's about much more than that.

But our official, legal objections are to the sex and the marriage (which is a sexual institution), not to the spending time with one another. :roll: Ya, we're making laws that say gay people can't congregate. :lol:

Can't congregate?
You forget that there are christian churches that accept gay people?


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11 Aug 2007, 2:35 pm

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You (Sopho) really make good points here, but they decide not to read them or ignore them, or they don't get it. You made it clear that you didn't chose this, they won't accept or ignore it. Ragtime however has an excuse, I know he won't accept it because it would contradict things he strongly holds on to EMOTIONALLY not logically, this other fella, I really don't know.

I know. That's the only thing that I find frustrating - it's not the points other people make (as Ragtime suggested yesterday when he said I was no longer being laid back about it), it's when the points I make are obviously ignored.
ie. I don't hate men. I've never made any comments, AFAIK, that would indicate that I did. If anything, I've made more pissed off posts about women. :P
That was why I kept on asking Ragtime to respond - because he'd made such a ridiculous statement, I wanted to know why. It had nothing to do with looking for attention.
Also, people don't seem to realise that I'm not being hypocritical because 'Ragtime could say the same about gays, that they're not born that way) because the difference is - I know myself that I didn't choose to be gay. Other people might not believe me, but I know it myself. Whereas Ragtime doesn't know his god exists. There's no way of proving or disproving something like that. So it's entirely different.



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11 Aug 2007, 2:35 pm

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You mean sexual attaction? Now you have got me confused...

Not sexual attraction. I liked them. I dunno, I thought they were cute or whatever. I can't remember how a 5 year old views things, but I know I liked girls and it wasn't sexual. Lots of people do at that age: when my little brother started primary school, a load of the girls in his class used to follow him around because they liked him. It wasn't sexual because they were only 4 or 5 years old, but it's some low level of 'attraction' that will develop into attraction once they become teenagers or whatever. It's the same for gay people only they're more likely to remember it when they're older because they can't understand why they like boys when they're a boy themselves etc. So I 'liked' girls, but not in a sexual way at the time. I dunno if I explained that well.

I follow you now. I wouldnt agree neccesarily with the gay people being more likely to remember it though.



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11 Aug 2007, 2:39 pm

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You mean sexual attaction? Now you have got me confused...

Not sexual attraction. I liked them. I dunno, I thought they were cute or whatever. I can't remember how a 5 year old views things, but I know I liked girls and it wasn't sexual. Lots of people do at that age: when my little brother started primary school, a load of the girls in his class used to follow him around because they liked him. It wasn't sexual because they were only 4 or 5 years old, but it's some low level of 'attraction' that will develop into attraction once they become teenagers or whatever. It's the same for gay people only they're more likely to remember it when they're older because they can't understand why they like boys when they're a boy themselves etc. So I 'liked' girls, but not in a sexual way at the time. I dunno if I explained that well.

I follow you now. I wouldnt agree neccesarily with the gay people being more likely to remember it though.

OK, I only thought that because I've heard straight people (on the anti-gay side) claim that it's just gay people who had this when they were kids. Obviously I don't know because I'm not straight, but I assumed that was the case then as that's what I've heard. But I guess that doesn't really matter.