The problem of SJWs

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And if you say anything to the contrary we will do everything in our power to make sure you never have a moment of peace again.

I really think that trolling is not something what moderators should do. As well as doing racist statements - and the "white privilege" phrase is inherently racist.

I wasn't trolling. Liberals have always been SJWs, and most SJWs are liberals. The great stains of identity politics right now are white nationalism and Islamism. I think it's a bit silly to pretend that "be nice to trans people" is anywhere near those.

The phrase "white privilege" isn't remotely racist. It does nothing more or less than point out the existence of racism.

You put my name in your mouth and took what I said about someone who hurt me way out of context. You think I am just going to stand there and take it?

I don't even try to predict what you will do. Some people whom I respect evidently like you, and I try to take that into account. However, your perception of me has little in common with reality. Quote these posts you claim I've made, if you have any evidence of your assertions.

For that matter, I lose respect for your argumentation skills every time you snip out the most relevant part of my posts when you reply to them. That applies to anyone who dodges my best arguments in that manner, and you're not even the worst offender.

"White supremacy" or "white racism" or "black supremacy" aren't racist as those don't imply that every single person in the said race is a supremacist or a racist. However, "white privilege" implies that every white person has that privilege, and this distinction is based on the race solely. The phrase "white privilege" is racist just by the definition.

That's not a very good definition. By that definition, "black people have more melanin in their skin than white people" would be racist, because it's a distinction based solely on race, and I think we can agree that such a statement is not racist. A racist statement suggests that a race is biologically inferior or superior to another one, and comments about whether a race is privileged in society or the amount of melanin in their skin have nothing to do with ultimate inferiority or superiority.

If it was put that white privilege is something to be maintained, then that would be racist.

But it isn't. White privilege doesn't say that white people should be treated better than non-white people, it just says that they are treated better. That's not racist by any stretch of the imagination. It's a description of a sociological fact. If a white person and a black person are in the same situation, then the white person is likely to have a better outcome. That's based on nothing except how others perceive his race, and that's unfair.

When people say "we need to remove white privilege", they're not saying "we need to make every white person pay a fine", they're saying "we need to treat people fairly, regardless of their race".

White privilege is not an accusation, it's an acknowledgement that non-whites are the victims of systematic racism in the West and that white people aren't. Indeed, the most sensible definition of "white people" would be something like "those individuals with white privilege", because race is socially constructed.

OJ was a celebrity, he's not exactly the best example. Fame creates a whole set of privilege that us normal people would never receive.

Those things do count as struggles, I don't intend on invalidating them. That doesn't mean that you wouldn't likely face additional struggles if you weren't white. You keep dodging how the term has already been repeatedly defined by everyone who's using it to insist it means 'oh, if you're white you get everything handed to you'. Dodging the point, or missing the point (whether intentional or otherwise) isn't the same as making a reasonable rebuttal.

Jeez, even rich, famous, white, straight, cis-men have struggles in their lives - but they also avoid many of the struggles people who don't fit all those categories face. Feel free to insist otherwise all you like, but please try to do so with a reasonable argument and not more dodging.

“To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.”
Thomas Paine

By this very definition, your statement about the superior level of melanin is racist. Or at least it's not more and not less racist than a statement about some race's superior sport endurance or intellect.


Being a white guy who is not treated better in any way, I can say that this is just a lie. And it is racist.

And by the way:

That's so true.

The term, "white privilege," in and of itself is not racist, it's how people use it and mean it. When they claim that all white people have this white privilege, they are then being racist, because they are then claiming that all white people get treated the same as other white people and making them a monolith, while ignoring serious social issues that go on in poor white communities.

There is no white privilege here where I live. We're a majority non-white area, and the people who get "privilege" based on race are typically Hispanic. Like cater to like. That's all it is. White people get all sorts of s**t dropped on them here, not to mention how racist Hispanics can be towards black people (those two demographics are usually the ones found fighting the most - we've had some serious gang fights between them)

Or are people honestly saying a black man will cater to a white man over another black man? Do you know how horribly that first black man would be treated if it was found he catered to the white man? No one wants to be white. That's why education is tossed to the side, cuz that's a white people thing.

Saying white people have less melanin is a statement of fact. "White privilege" is making or implying an assumption about every white person. "Check your privilege" is an implied accusation.

That's simply not true. The sorts of people who acknowledge the existence of white privilege are also usually the sorts of people who most readily talk about the advantages of being born rich, male, cis, hetero, having political power, access to cheap healthy food, access to public transport, access to affordable healthcare, access to quality schools, good parents, having your narrative portrayed sympathetically in the media, and so forth.

You've talked a lot about how you feel your region of California is more favourable to Hispanics than whites (I'm guessing you're talking about olive-skinned Spanish speakers, who may or may not be considered white depending on the context but in your context apparently aren't). Obviously a great deal of life experience has gone into forming that opinion. But what are the statistics like for employment? Wages? Life expectancy? Chances of being arrested or charged for drug possession, controlling for rate of use? Chances of surviving an encounter with a police officer? These things are hard to judge for an individual on the ground.

Our area is a hell hole, of course

Poverty ridden, with San Bernardino having a higher homicide rate per capita than Chicago. And what cops? When the city went bankrupt, the cops all left. Fontana is a little better, but not much, same with the High Desert. We're all in this craphole together and people still are extremely racist.

And since the cops aren't all white, white people don't get some free pass, we're constantly seeing them getting in trouble. Some even get pulled over for no apparent reason. White privilege just doesn't happen here, unless it's another white person giving it. Privilege is something that has to be given, or earned, not something inherent in a mere existence.

We have white people here getting beat up just for being white. Constantly picked on because they're the outliers, bullied, etc. Why is it so hard to believe that they don't have privilege here? They get passed over in favor of Hispanics (unless you're in Compton, then they tend to get chased out of town or passed over for black people). Even in the richer areas, people are more likely to hire a woman or a non-white person over a white male these days. Many of the mayors in this area are non-white and quite a few are non-white women. City councils aren't white either. White people don't hold power here.

And as for what's considered "white." Well, that depends on your definition, since so many people have different definitions! According to the US census, it includes Europeans, North Africans, and Middle Eastern people. According to most people who judge by looks, the majority do not look "white." We have a very diverse population as well, even with the majority being Hispanic. There's a decent sized Korean population, we have immigrants from all over such as the Middle East, India, Ukraine, etc. We have places of worship for just about every religion even.

What makes you think white people are anything here? No one would cater to a white person over one of their own. That's just wrong.