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22 Mar 2015, 5:46 am

Yes, but it is not ok to teach BS pseudoscience, when actual science disproves biblical tradition regarding the natural world.

I have already posted this but I like it so here goes


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22 Mar 2015, 3:50 pm

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Yes, but it is not ok to teach BS pseudoscience, when actual science disproves biblical tradition regarding the natural world.
Quite ignoring the fact that real science proves that your (and Hitchens') favourite toy is imaginary and physically impossible. You've simply defined blindness as the inability to see your favourite imaginary toy.



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22 Mar 2015, 9:46 pm

David as I keep saying you are nothing but a one trick pony. All you ever do is state contemporary physics is nonsense and rarely elaborate on this. With the astonishing exception of stating that E=MC2 is not valid as it states a massless particle has no energy. I notice that once a couple of posters who work with this equation (and the approprite addiions to it, explaining the apparent contradicion) pointed out how and why you are wrong, and I challenged you to refute their explanation you have left the subject alone.

It is fine if you want to believe in god, even if you want to have faith in the innerancy of the Bible, but unless you can actually back up your claims that modern physics has got it all wrong all you are doing is talking utter garbage.


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22 Mar 2015, 10:10 pm

I can only speak from personal experience. I used to be a happy atheist until Jesus appeared to me one night totally out of the blue. It was shocking. Either I'm hallucinating or it really happened, and I'm leaning to the it really happened side. If God touches you, then that's all the proof you're gonna need. If you don't feel the spirit of God then you'll probably keep asking if he can be proved or disproved.



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22 Mar 2015, 10:17 pm

Sorry but if I thought Jesus had chosen me out of over 5billion people to go visit I would check myself in for at least an MRI followed by some serious phsyclogical evaluations


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22 Mar 2015, 10:18 pm

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This should be fascinating! Whats up for debate? Maybe you can discuss how many elves Santa has, and whether their servitude is a form of slavery. Also how about the fall of Rudolph? Apparently he started a rebellion with some of the reindeer and the elves to overthrow Santa. But as we all know Santa is all powerful (how daft was Rudolph and his comrades, surely they would have known that Santa was at all there meetings, and even if he wasn't, they would have had to have known he knew what they were up to, and any way he would have no trouble defeating them) and as it turns out he defeated the rebellion and has sent Rudolph in to exile at the south pole.


'Arthur Dent', why are you being such an ass? The old, and extremely infantile, equation of God with Santa, elves, fairies, spaghetti-monsters and the like, is only for those simple folk who cannot grasp any concept that doesn't fit into their small, comfortable little scientistic world-view. 'Arthur', do yourself a favour, and leave your comfort-zone. It doesn't require the proverbial 'leap of faith', just a little open-mindedness and the ditching of your cynicism.

P.S. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was one of the most boring and unfunny books I have ever read. Just thought I'd mention that :mrgreen:



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22 Mar 2015, 11:25 pm

Not really surprised that you did not find H2G2 funny. After it all requires a level of intelligence and understanding of how society thinks (particularly the English). You show very little capability in either. It also exposes the futility of some aspects of philosophy, and the idiocy of faith. So yeah doubt someone like you would get it.

As to the accusation of closed mindedness. It takes far more of an open mind to reject firmly held beliefs in favour of evidence from experiment. You are the closed minded one, you simply cannot give up your preconceived ideas of the world around you. Instead you outright deny that which science is showing us.

To be honest and very blunt I find the likes of yourself and david to be either, incredibly stupid, or incredibly delusional. I do not.say this on account of your belief in god. Rather i say this on account of your belief in scripture over knowledge based upon evidence. David and I presume you, believes that almost to a person the contemporary scientific community is perpetrating an ongoing fraud against humanity. Leaving aside the fact that on a daily basis we use technology which has been developed using general and special relativity, leaving aside the fact that has been shown ad nauseum that his creationist understanding of scientific discoveries are deeply flawed. How the heck do you think such a fraud could be successful. As to my invoking Santa, this is just a way of showing how asinine I find your philosophical arguments to be. You can have your metaphysical discussions, but as soon as you bring your version of the natural world into it, then you bring the discussion into the realm of science. The only way the likea of yourself, david and rho can enter a discussion like this is to lie about the actual evidence. At least rho has he honesty to try and justify his position. You and David being the fools that you are simply parrot back what has been said to you, or more often simply refuse to corroborate your infantile assertions.

Mind you I happy for david. From what I understand he has been trollimg many forums looking for a sympathetic ear. Just shows you the maxim that there is someone for everyone might.be true


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22 Mar 2015, 11:49 pm

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Not really surprised that you did not find H2G2 funny. After it all requires a level of intelligence and understanding of how society thinks (particularly the English). You show very little capability in either. It also exposes the futility of some aspects of philosophy.. So yeah doubt someone like you would get it.

As to the accusation of closed mindedness. It takes far more of an open mind to reject firmly held beliefs in favour of evidence from experiment. You are the closed minded one, you simply cannot give up your preconceived ideas of the world around you. Instead you outright deny that which science is showing us.

To be honest and very blunt I find the likes of yourself and david to be either, incredibly stupid, or incredibly delusional. I do not.say this on account of your belief in god. Rather i say this on account of your belief in scripture over knowledge based upon evidence. David and I presume you, believes that almost to a person the contemporary scientific community is perpetrating an ongoing fraud against humanity. Leaving aside the fact that on a daily basis we use technology which has been developed using general and special relativity, leaving aside the fact that has been shown ad nauseum that his creationist understanding of scientific discoveries are deeply flawed. How the heck do you think such a fraud could be successful. As to my invoking Santa, this is just a way of showing how asinine I find your philosophical arguments to be. You can have your metaphysical discussions, but as soon as you bring your version of the natural world into it, then you bring the discussion into the realm of science. The only way the likea of yourself, david and rho can enter a discussion like this is to lie about the actual evidence. At least rho has he honesty to try and justify his position. You and David being the fools that you are simply parrot back what has been said to you, or more often simply refuse to corroborate your infantile assertions.

Mind you I happy for david. From what I understand he has been trollimg many forums looking for a sympathetic ear. Just shows you the maxim that there is someone for everyone might.be true


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23 Mar 2015, 12:34 am

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Sophisticated you claim to be skeptical about science, yet you appear to know almost nothing about the areas of science you are skeptical about. I find this position to rather intellectually barren. I think what you mean to say is "trust science when you get in a car, an airplane, a train, trust science when you use a GPS device or anything electronic etc etc. But REJECT science whenever it conflicts with your view of the world and how it came to be."

You are not skeptical, to be truly skeptical you would need more knowledge than you appear to have. You simply reject all notion of anything that gives the slightest hint of disagreement with your ideology. This I'd why you know sweet fa about evolution because it is not required knowledge in your narrow world.


My ideology is based on pure fact and knowledge whereas yours is based on fantasy and superstition.



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23 Mar 2015, 12:58 am

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David as I keep saying you are nothing but a one trick pony. All you ever do is state contemporary physics is nonsense and rarely elaborate on this. With the astonishing exception of stating that E=MC2 is not valid as it states a massless particle has no energy. I notice that once a couple of posters who work with this equation (and the approprite addiions to it, explaining the apparent contradicion) pointed out how and why you are wrong, and I challenged you to refute their explanation you have left the subject alone.

It is fine if you want to believe in god, even if you want to have faith in the innerancy of the Bible, but unless you can actually back up your claims that modern physics has got it all wrong all you are doing is talking utter garbage.

Arty, I suppose that if you brushed up on your reading and comprehension you'd be stuck for nonsense accusations.
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All you ever do is state contemporary physics is nonsense and rarely elaborate on this. With the astonishing exception of stating that E=MC2 is not valid as it states a massless particle has no energy.
I never said any such thing. I said that it (E=MC^2) seems to work in some situations but not always and everywhere. I was merely pointing out that it is not the universal "proof" of every fantastic daydream that crazy Materialists try to sell to the credulous multitude.

I have never resorted to the Bible for any justification of anything I have claimed. You try to pin that on me as a disguise for the baseless allegations and assertions that you think support your silly ideology.

I would ignore you, Arty, except that you might browbeat the likes of MollyTroubletail into some cultish veneration of Materialistic nonscience.



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23 Mar 2015, 1:38 am

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To be honest and very blunt I find the likes of yourself and david to be either, incredibly stupid, or incredibly delusional. I do not.say this on account of your belief in god. Rather i say this on account of your belief in scripture over knowledge based upon evidence.
What Scripture? Quran? Upanishads? You're the only one talking about Scripture.
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David and I presume you, believes that almost to a person the contemporary scientific community is perpetrating an ongoing fraud against humanity. Leaving aside the fact that on a daily basis we use technology which has been developed using general and special relativity,
What technology needs S or G Relativity? Even the time differential of orbiting GPS satellites matches the Lorentsian model not the Einsteinean one.
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leaving aside the fact that has been shown ad nauseum that his creationist understanding of scientific discoveries are deeply flawed.
Who has done that? When? Where?
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How the heck do you think such a fraud could be successful.
Galahs like you spouting incessant nonsense, I suppose.
You can have your metaphysical discussions, but as soon as you bring your version of the natural world into it, then you bring the discussion into the realm of science. The only way the likea of yourself, david and rho can enter a discussion like this is to lie about the actual evidence. [/quote] Remind me about "actual evidence". I don't think I've ever seen any.
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Mind you I happy for david. From what I understand he has been trollimg many forums looking for a sympathetic ear. Just shows you the maxim that there is someone for everyone might.be true
:wink: And now I've found Arty. :heart: A dream come true.



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23 Mar 2015, 3:10 am

If god was real he would show himself right now and not be a coward, if he knew about the internet man has power over him on he would feel insecure and make an account and post right at this moment!But yet he doesnt so he is not real he is make believe he is indeed made up!


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23 Mar 2015, 5:07 am

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Galahs like you spouting incessant nonsense, I suppose.

You reckon they know what a Galah is mate?



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23 Mar 2015, 5:09 am

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If god was real he would show himself right now and not be a coward,


I doubt our alien creators could be bothered.



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23 Mar 2015, 5:24 am

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If god was real he would show himself right now and not be a coward


What is so dangerous about showing oneself to an insignificant creature like yourself ?



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23 Mar 2015, 5:24 am

David I have done trying to reason with you. You have been shown to be wrong with every single one of your statements about the science you reject. Yet all you do is bluster on as if no one had said a word. Basically mate you are a f*****g idiot. Enough said.


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