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calandale
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11 Aug 2007, 7:57 pm

AFAIK Ragtime is claiming to BE God.



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11 Aug 2007, 7:59 pm

calandale wrote:
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I'm convinced now: You do hate men.

Seriously, why don't you actually explain properly how it us that you came to this ridiculous conclusion.


Instinct. A hunch.

Ok so you don't actually have a proper reason, thanks - that's all I needed to know. 8)


What are you talking about? It's the same reason you have for thinking God doesn't exist.


And that you do for believing that such a thing does.


I can understand why you'd think that. You have to be one to know Him.



Puzzles. I have to be God to know God?
You're beginning to sound more and more
like myself.


No, a Christian. "I am only a man myself" (Acts 10:26), said Saint Peter. Ditto for me.


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11 Aug 2007, 8:05 pm

Hadron wrote:
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calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I'm convinced now: You do hate men.

Seriously, why don't you actually explain properly how it us that you came to this ridiculous conclusion.


Instinct. A hunch.

Ok so you don't actually have a proper reason, thanks - that's all I needed to know. 8)


What are you talking about? It's the same reason you have for thinking God doesn't exist.


And that you do for believing that such a thing does.


I can understand why you'd think that. You have to be one to know Him.

Are you involved in some cabal of the knowing now, Ragtime?


:lol: No, I'm just a Christian. Did you think I was effectively describing something else? If a Christian doesn't KNOW God exists, he/she isn't a Christian. That's because every Christian's life is based on a personal relationship with God. Not through any church, or any other Christians, but a direct God-to-person relationship. Knowing God exists isn't cabalic, or heresy -- it's the exact opposite! :) The Bible says that every person should be able to look around at nature and know a god exists by that evidence. It's amazing to me when people look at nature, and claim NOT to see a design. :lol: The design is so good, we haven't even finished unravelling it yet. We don't even yet know all the meticulous processes the human body automatically does on a daily basis, yet some people are SURE it wasn't designed. Good grief. And those who do believe in godless evolution have a difficult time explaining the "godless" part. Yet, they're sure there can be no god ("or at least not the Christian God!! !! I won't have that!!"). That's why atheism is an intellectually untenable belief. You can't take emotions out of the equation, and THEN say there is absolutely no god. A person who'd rather God didn't exist must therefore stick to agnosticism.

Ok, now I get you. What form does your relationship with God take, does he speak to you?


Usually not with words, but more directly through thoughts. When it is through actual words, they're almost voiceless. That is to say, the voice has no sound, either real or perceived. It's impossible to fully explain.


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11 Aug 2007, 8:07 pm

calandale wrote:
AFAIK Ragtime is claiming to BE God.

No, he claims that God speaks to him, I'd like to know how is his voice though, if it is deep or gentle.


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11 Aug 2007, 8:09 pm

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Ok, now I get you. What form does your relationship with God take, does he speak to you?


Usually not with words, but more directly through thoughts. When it is through actual words, they're almost voiceless. That is to say, the voice has no sound, either real or perceived. It's impossible to fully explain.

You are describing a psychological experience through religion actually.


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11 Aug 2007, 8:11 pm

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calandale wrote:
AFAIK Ragtime is claiming to BE God.

No, he claims that God speaks to him, I'd like to know how is his voice though, if it is deep or gentle.


Like the soothing words of a masculine lover? :P



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11 Aug 2007, 8:19 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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I'm convinced now: You do hate men.

Seriously, why don't you actually explain properly how it us that you came to this ridiculous conclusion.
I don't want to have sex with men, I must hate them... uh... right...


Well, you keep going on about it, in post after post long after I've said anything on the matter -- so there must be something to it.

I was accused of hating half the population simply for being male ffs, and hate is a very strong word.
I kept 'going on about it' afterwards because you haven't given me a real reason as to why you would think that. You just have a 'hunch.' If I'm accused of hating a billions of people, then I'd like to know how I give this impression, so I can change it. I don't hate men at all and wouldn't exactly want to come across as if I did. I keep posting about it because you don't reply properly. You even admitted you'd seen my posts asking why but ignored them. You can't expect to make such a stupid assumption about someone and get away with it without being questioned. I don't think I come across as if I hate men. I'd be reacting the exact same way if you'd said I hate black people, or I hate Jews, or I hate people with blond hair.



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11 Aug 2007, 8:28 pm

I really hate men.

and that's because I don't want to sleep with any
Shame on me!

well, that's according to Ragtime definition and logic.

But that's ok, at least the Bible doesn't condemn me for "hating men".


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11 Aug 2007, 8:36 pm

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I really hate men.

and that's because I don't want to sleep with any
Shame on me!

well, that's according to Ragtime definition and logic.

But that's ok, at least the Bible doesn't condemn me for "hating men".

Even Jesus? Will he forgive you? :P



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11 Aug 2007, 8:41 pm

Only if he has sex with him.



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11 Aug 2007, 8:50 pm

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Only if he has sex with him.

:lol:



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11 Aug 2007, 8:55 pm

lol

I hope I won't be condemned for hating men, have the rules changed already?


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11 Aug 2007, 9:06 pm

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Ragtime wrote:
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Ok, now I get you. What form does your relationship with God take, does he speak to you?


Usually not with words, but more directly through thoughts. When it is through actual words, they're almost voiceless. That is to say, the voice has no sound, either real or perceived. It's impossible to fully explain.

You are describing a psychological experience through religion actually.


From past conversations, I already know you'll debunk God at every opportunity. Just a knee-jerk denial. (Get that fixed; start using your brain.)


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11 Aug 2007, 10:30 pm

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Ok, now I get you. What form does your relationship with God take, does he speak to you?


Usually not with words, but more directly through thoughts. When it is through actual words, they're almost voiceless. That is to say, the voice has no sound, either real or perceived. It's impossible to fully explain.

You are describing a psychological experience through religion actually.


From past conversations, I already know you'll debunk God at every opportunity. Just a knee-jerk denial. (Get that fixed; start using your brain.)

I don't debunk God, I just question these things, since I used to be a christian I started to question everything about it.

You seem to think that God really talks to you and you seem very sure about having the truth, while there is another person from a different church, who would say different things, and at the same time that person says God speaks to him and he has the truth, a third person says a different thing, etc. Which of all you have the real truth?

I started to questions the dogmas from my old church, and they are a little different from yours, interpretation of the Bible is different from yours, you won't agree with them, claiming that my former church don't have the truth, only yours, while people from there would say they have the truth. These tiny little things started to make me wonder about things.

I do have some of a brain, I hope, at least enough for me to not believe everything I have been thought without question them first. I was a christian when I was a boy, then I grew up, I saw things differently, feeling confused at first and sad actually, kinda like a little kid feels when finding out Santa Claus really doesn't exist, the feeling was similar to me, is not like I just stopped believing, I just have doubts, and have more and more doubts with time, to the point of leaving the church and becoming agnostic, the anti-gay stuff was one of the things that made me have doubts, because it didn't sound right to me. Mostly after knowing that my brother had a friend who had depression because he was gay.

I do really believe that what people experience in church is no more than psychological experiences, they have a passion for something that it might be good for them, because it gives them hope and hapiness, after all is part of being human, of having emotions, that can be good, but nothing is perfect, it always have some flaws.


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11 Aug 2007, 10:52 pm

Ragtime wrote:
From past conversations, I already know you'll debunk God at every opportunity. Just a knee-jerk denial. (Get that fixed; start using your brain.)


You try to debunk FSM at every opportunity. Just a knee-jerk denial. (Get that fixed; start using YOUR brain.)

Flying Spaghetti Monster IS TRUTH!! !!



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11 Aug 2007, 11:22 pm

jfrmeister wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
From past conversations, I already know you'll debunk God at every opportunity. Just a knee-jerk denial. (Get that fixed; start using your brain.)


You try to debunk FSM at every opportunity. Just a knee-jerk denial. (Get that fixed; start using YOUR brain.)

Flying Spaghetti Monster IS TRUTH!! !!


I rest my case.


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