THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

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More civilized? They lived in cities and so do we. I'd venture to say that stoics of then were more civilized than most civilians now.

Imagine is precisely the correct word.

ruveyn

Okay. Go ahead. Shatter our illusions.

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Probably the people close to middle eastern countries that don't want a "controlled" nuclear war to break out as a result of some the actions of the Bush Administration. There was some talk of it at one point during that period. You have stated before that you personally believe that we should have nuked them and got it over with, and civilian casualties among neighboring countries are just a normal casualty of war.

The consequences of US foreign policy could have a real life or death impact on some of those in surrounding nations, as you agreed in an earlier discussion. We don't have to care over here, it is our policy we are concerned about, but they have every right to form an opinion over our policies if they can possibly cause harm to the livelyhood of those in the surrounding nations. Likely if the situation was reversed some people would have the same logical fear here too.

It could be part of the reason Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize; by defeating the Administration that instilled these kind of fears in the world; some of the rest of the world could rest a little easier at night, beyond those that were our true enemies.

It hasn't quite worked out the way that people anticipated, but the rhetoric has changed quite a bit.

Last edited by aghogday on 18 May 2011, 1:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yeah, never mind the two term limit, the economic dip in 2008 which people blamed on Republicans, and that under Obama the security measures have gotten even more personal and insane.

Excuse me, my mistake, replace the word administration with party. Not an opinion of mine on what Obama has done that warranted the Peace prize, only how scared the rest of the world was in the direction the US had taken in foreign policy and relief that it might be over.

So, with Obama in reign of the USA, the campaign promises of withdrawing troops specifically from Iraq, Osama dead, Libya, etc, how's that going?

The only difference true difference that I can see from the previous administration, is no more senseless cowboy rhetoric to add fuel to the fire. As far as I'm concerned the campaign promises have not been met, and we will be better of when they are met.

I see Obamas actions in general as not significantly more liberal than the previous administration in many avenues; the big difference is healthcare reform, without that the actual results of the two administrations aren't much different.

It is more a matter of perception than reality, in my view, for the rest of the world at this point. Bush swaggered and carried a big stick, whereas Obama walks softly and carries a big stick. We are still basically the same country we were before.

In fact I think, it is more perception than reality in our own country. Had John McCain been president, we probably wouldn't have healthcare reform, but I doubt anything else would be significantly different.