For 2012 if it were: Obama vs Palin?

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The Democrats pissed off the independent voters. It is the independent voters (the non-party aligned) that carry the elections in the U.S. While there are more Democrats than Republicans if the independents align with the Republicans, the Republicans win. If the independents do not align with the Republicans the Republicans lose.

I thing the high handed way in which the health care nonsense, that 2000 page abomination was rammed through really turned independent sentiment against the Democrats.

But the Democrats will never really understand this dynamic. They are so full of themselves.

ruveyn

i have to say that would be hours of entertainment for me.
also i'm very attarcted to sarah palin, girls Hot. omg, yes please!

I don't think they'll ever learn

I'm hearing them wanting to push stuff thru the lame duck session like the DREAM Act and other unpopular legislation

their complete disregard for the will of the American people is why the democrats got destroyed this cycle and why they will again in 2012 unless Obama and the democrats have a unforeseen "come to Jesus" moment.

Obama is no Clinton. He's determined to stick with his ideology, you wont see any "triangulation", him admitting he overstepped his mandate, or saying the "era of big government is over". He's not going to have the benefit of a booming economy and a post-cold war period where the US had no real enemies.

Obama is so similar to Carter it's scary.

You mean like how the PATRIOT act was shoved through in complete abuse of the country's state of shock and grief?

Nah, the republicans being better mudslingers is what lost the democrats. And that the democrats got so frazzled by the mud that some of them went apologist and tried to appeal to conservative voters (which is like a black man trying to appeal to the kkk).

PATRIOT Act was put in place for war time, and was in response to 9/11. Oh and if you go into the wire taps contrary to the mainstream media's lies about it being domestic to domestic. That's right the mainstream media LIED. Only time domestic phones were listened in on without a warrant was when a foreign phone that was already being monitored called someone in the United States. What do you want them to do Osama bin Laden calls someone in the United States. You want the the CIA to hang up their wiretap because the person he's calling is in the US.



First of all if you bothered to read up on your history the last politican to be officially affiliated with the KKK was Senator Robert Byrd whom was a Democrat. Also, the Dems lost because they behaved like snobs and put stuff into law that the public overwhelmingly rejected and was unconstitutional for that matter. Seriously, stop reciting the Democrats Talking Points (or more like Obama's talking points).

2010 made 1994 look like a good day for Democrats. If happened for a reason and it had nothing to do with republicans mudslinging. When a sitting President calls fellow American citizens "the enemy," there is a serious problem.

Now you can try to spin it all day long, but as Bill O'Reilly would say, "The Spin Stops Here!"

The Dems lost because the economy still hasn't recovered from decades of being trashed, and now the Repubs want to make sure that it stays in the ditch for two more years so that they can take the senate and the presidency.

David Duke. Originally a democrat then converted to the republican party. It's quite the demonstrable change from the previous generation to the current in politics. Also, Strom Thurmond was quite the notable racist who also did the conversion from democrat to republican. Strom might not have been associated with the KKK but he certainly performed the longest filibuster in this country's history to prevent equal rights for blacks.


The old southern "blue dog" democrats are much more like republicans than modern democrats.

If Dems behave like they have been and continue to behave like that then actually 2012 will favor Republicans.

Furthermore Dems can't effectively blame the Republicans because the Republicans in the House can pass stuff in the house all day. Then in all likelihood Harry Reid won't even let it on the Senate floor. When the Dems try to claim it is all the Republicans fault, the republicans can turn it right back around and point out that the Dems aren't even allowing the legislation on the floor of the Senate. Oh and the Republicans are going to keep passing the items the public voted them in for and put the Dems on the spot again and again.

Also you're assuming Obama will even be able to win reelection. If Obama continues to act as he has, Rush Limbaugh will be able to beat him in an election. That is also assuming Obama isn't thrown out of office because he is Impeached in the House and convicted in the Senate. There is a certain incident involving voter intimidation caught on tape and the Obama Justice Department dropping the charges after these guys were convicted by default because they didn't bother to appear in court.

Also, David Duke was a nut. Hell if you even check wikipedia, he couldn't win anything and the Republican leadership tried to block him from even being able to run in the Presidential Primaries. He only got 0.94% of the vote in the Republican Primary. Furthermore he never got elected to either the House nor the Senate. Hell several Republican Groups ended up saying vote for the crook over this clown.

Get your facts straight.

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Do you have any data to support this assertion?


This is the logical fallacy known as the 'false dilemma.' The options were not 'wiretap everyone' or 'wiretap no one,' the options were 'wiretap targets with a secret FISA warrant,' or 'wiretap targets without a secret FISA warrant.' The only reason NOT to go through the rubber-stamp FISA court would be to tap individuals without leaving any permanent public records.


He was making a simile, not accusing the Repubs. of being associated with the KKK. Basically, he was saying that the Repubs. hate, fear, and loathe the Dems. and will not accept any compromise that leaves them with their dignity and/or freedom intact.


Funny, the things that the public overwhelmingly rejected were generally things that Palin, Rove, and Faux news et all claimed were in the bill but actually were not; likewise, when asked about the major individual components that were actually in the bill, the majority of the public liked them according to polls. There was also a substantial portion of the electorate (including myself) who rejected the health care bill because it did not go far enough in bringing health care to the American people.
The Dems lost because the Repubs have a better spin machine.



Uh.... you have it backwards. The Repubs gained both houses of the legislature in 1994, including greater numeric gains in both houses.


Which is really so ironic that it makes me think that O'Reilly must have an actual sense of humor somewhere.

Surely you aren't actually ignorant of the historical shifts in party alignment in this country? Once upon a time, the Democrats were the conservative, southern, sometimes racist party, and the Republicans were the liberal/progressive party. They flipped roles (though because of overall societal shifts, the Republican Party has never become nearly as racist as the Democratic party used to be). Senator Byrd was a historical relic who stuck to his old party by name.


When polled on the specific provisions of the health care bill, the public actually supported almost everything in there (with the obvious exception of the individual mandate). In fact, the polling suggests that the public generally wanted a bill that went much farther, given the overwhelming support for the public option which was rejected as a concession to the Republicans.

Polls are pretty useless about issues like that. It all depends on how it's framed. If you ask "do you believe that free universal healthcare is a right and should be available to everybody?" it will poll a lot higher. But If you ask "Do you support the massive government takeover of medicine?" it will poll a lot lower. The whole left wing meme that the American people abandoned the democrats because they weren't far enough left is a myth so the people stayed home. They didn't lose the left wing of their party, they lost the conservative and centrist part because they overstepped their mandate. If they refuse to see that and continue on their path, they're walking right into a GOP supermajority in 2012. Calling the middle of this country stupid, ignorant, and racist for opposing the democrats is a good way to make sure that they NEVER vote for you again.

On the race issue, leftists need to drop that quick. People don't like being called racist, it does not make them want to support you or your policies. The fact of the matter is that the GOP ran it's most diverse field of candidates it's ever had and it's not an effective or truthful attack.

Obama. For anybody saying Palin couldn't do worse, Bush did worse and Palin is a female Bush more or less, although possibly dumber.

The far left will stop calling the right racist as soon as the far right stops calling the left socialists and/or Nazis.

Honestly, at this point I would almost be willing to settle for some degree of consistency in the slurs. There are no CommuNazis.

[quote="Orwell"
Honestly, at this point I would almost be willing to settle for some degree of consistency in the slurs. There are no CommuNazis.[/quote]

Both Communists and Nazis are collectivist. The principle of collectivism differ in the two cases. In one, class is the dominant principle, in the other, race is the dominant principle.

ruveyn

sarah palin, because she seems honest. and god knows we need honest politicians in our government.