New Arizona Law called "fundamentally racist."

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Several cities and counties here have announced that they will not be enforcing the law. Reason being? They have no way to teach how to do so with being discriminatory and exposing those agencies to liability. If the law treated everyone equally under it's terms, I would have less issue (though still vehementally opposed on jurisdictional and resource-based grounds), but it doesn't. You cannot fairly enforce an unjust law, and it is a credit to those individuals who recognize that fact. I don't think anyone has argued that there are no problems, only that this attempt is an illegal and inappropriate attempt to deal with it, rooted in discrimination and bigotry. It is interesting to note that these same people who complain were so often silent when the presence of others served to their benefit.


M.

Ok , what will you do when a cop pulls you over and asks you if your legal citizen, so you carry proof of citizenship, such as a passport or birth certificate, I am sure you would be squawking about your rights and freedoms being abused.[/quote]
Silentbob15

Since moronic libs never read the law and only spout propoganda that they are told to spout here is the law.

This is all assuming that the person for some reason looks or acts like a foreigner.

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"Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following:

Ø A valid Arizona driver license.

Ø A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.

Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.

Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance."

So as you can see, any US citizen, if they had a foreign accent, would only need to show a drivers lic to prove citizenship.

Some more education for the likes of Maku.

All that is needed to stop those cimmiting a crime in USA is resonable suspicion. The crime in this case is
STANDING IN USA!

from wiki
"Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard in United States law that a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity based on specific and articulable facts and inferences. It is the basis for an investigatory or Terry stop by the police and requires less evidence than probable cause, the legal requirement for arrests and warrants. Reasonable suspicion is evaluated using the "reasonable person" or "reasonable officer" standard, in which said person in the same circumstances could reasonably believe a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity; such suspicion is not a mere hunch. Police may also, based solely on reasonable suspicion of a threat to safety, frisk a suspect for weapons, but not for contraband like drugs. A combination of particular facts, even if each is individually innocuous, can form the basis of reasonable suspicion."

Those citys are choosing to NOT enforce USA and AZ law. A felony (274 of the INA) and they will all be jailed and sued when this laws takes effect.
The new law specificly allows any US citizen to sue those that refuse to enforce the law.
This will end all the illegal actions of the lovers of foreign criminals

Dressing like a foreigner
foreign accent
no english
not following US road signs in english
All are "Reasonable suspicion " that the person is a foreigner and they must produce a passport and visa on demand as
required under US and now AZ law.

Good luck, Worldtraveler, when the law is found unconstitutional and struck down upon fully hitting the books in the coming months - as have all other attempts to implement such laws in Texas, Oklahoma, and other states. And while you choose to insult myself and others, I would suggest that time would be better served in deeper study on the subjects you wish to try and persuade others on. And you might want to review the fact that the legislation as originally proposed did not require any legal violation or prerequisite suspicion to pull over or question a "possible illegal" in Arizona. The bigoted bill that did pass is less expansive than was sought by those shortsighted individuals in the state legislature.


M.

I guess it really doesn't bother some of you to have your country infested with illegals.
I was talking to a few others about this the other day. We came to the conclusion that if this were 100 or more years ago there'd be better resolve about handing this if it had risen to this extent then. The government (with the blessing of the American people) would have had the army exterminate them as a matter of protecting the nation.

Taking a historical look at the mindset of that time I certainly wouldn't rule out such actions being taken back then.

Regardless of how I may personally feel about this law (perhaps understandable, but misguided), I find the general lack of civility in this thread disconcerting to say the least. Posters on both sides of this seem to be taking things way too personally, paging through this thread it reads more like warring religious factions calling each other heretics than a reasoned political debate. On the more practical side, I've yet to see anyone persuaded to change their opinion by being called a traitor, a racist or a fascist, so tossing such invective into the mix is not only crude hyperbole at best, but downright counterproductive to the goals of everyone.

Maku,

the AZ is a copy of a fed law on the books for decades. How can it be uncon. if it has never been even challenged before?
Truth is people like you are just trying to give hope to the foreign criminals in USA.

As for loss of GDP. That too is a false argument. After a raid in AZ at a grocery store, all 300 positions were filled with
US citizens in the next few days. Dont forget USA has 20% real unemployment. (the so called U6 rate)

And to Michael_Stuart
Criminals IS the issue. All foreigners in USA with no visa are criminals. Not "undocumented" or any other BS. CRIMINALS!
Do you expect me to be "civil" with criminals that have assalted me many times.
[removed - M.] in Europe.
And when I am in europe, I am an obvious foreigner and have been stopped by the police and checked. Why cant USA have the
same laws and enforcment?

Anyone that helps them is also a criminal in violation of Sec 274 of the INA. Hiding in a church, criminal. Giving a ride to protest, criminal.
Saying they should stay in USA, also a felony-criminal action.

As for the drivers licence issue. It would be best if ALL states required citizenship to get one. Then getting rid of these people
would be much easyer. That is why they fight it so hard. They know it works.

You can keep your personal attacks, WT - I'm not interested in engaging you thusly.

Unfortunately, you refuse to actually read the law or the history behind its' passage. The numerous sections where changes -were- made, and these implementations are criminal in their construction. That the very construction of the law is based on racial profiling and is therefore discriminatory, making anyone who enforces such a law into a criminal themselves under that manner of thought. Expressing one's opinion is not a criminal act, and that you state that you want those who disagree with you charged with a felony is more indicative of your own feelings of insecurity on the subject, in my opinion, than being a legitimate claim.

Focus on the issue, and knock off the personal attacks towards myself and others. You have been warned.


M.