Which people-groups are currently allowed to be hated?

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Which people-groups are currently allowed to be hated?

Christians	6%	[ 2 ]
"Fundies"	3%	[ 1 ]
"Neocons"	3%	[ 1 ]
Whites	0%	[ 0 ]
Non-whites	3%	[ 1 ]
Men	0%	[ 0 ]
Women	3%	[ 1 ]
Adults	3%	[ 1 ]
Teens	0%	[ 0 ]
Children	0%	[ 0 ]
Infants	6%	[ 2 ]
Unborns	0%	[ 0 ]
Elderly	3%	[ 1 ]
"Racists"	3%	[ 1 ]
"Homophobes"	6%	[ 2 ]
A combination of the above and more	31%	[ 11 ]
Nobody is "allowed" to be hated, but hating some groups is often more socially acceptable than hating others.	33%	[ 12 ]

Total votes : 36

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19 Oct 2010, 2:11 pm

Word choice!
Absolute in the sense that emotions are often a motivation without an understanding, but I can see how it could be viewed differently,/ misconstrued.

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19 Oct 2010, 2:34 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

the definition of racism is hotly contested, but wikipedia has a succinct definition that i agree with:

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Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.

do you see that the minor actions that appear to be racism against whites are not included in this definition?

Notice that it also doesn't cover minor inconveniences to any race, nor does it cover disparaging statements about other races that fall short of claiming genetic inferiority.

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19 Oct 2010, 5:59 pm

Fundies , neocons, racists and homophobes are all morons.As they are morons they deserve no respect whatsoever. Lack of respect however is not hate. But just because I don't hate a person it doesn't mean she is not a moron.

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19 Oct 2010, 6:10 pm

Dox47 wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

the definition of racism is hotly contested, but wikipedia has a succinct definition that i agree with:

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do you see that the minor actions that appear to be racism against whites are not included in this definition?

Notice that it also doesn't cover minor inconveniences to any race, nor does it cover disparaging statements about other races that fall short of claiming genetic inferiority.

yes.

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19 Oct 2010, 6:18 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

the definition of racism is hotly contested, but wikipedia has a succinct definition that i agree with:

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do you see that the minor actions that appear to be racism against whites are not included in this definition?

Notice that it also doesn't cover minor inconveniences to any race, nor does it cover disparaging statements about other races that fall short of claiming genetic inferiority.

yes.

Did you notice that the definition you provided from the Omniscient Wikipedia said that racism also involves preferential treatment? The policies of Affirmative Action and "Equal Opportunity Employment" were made by Congress and the Senate. These policies encourage the preferential treatment of some individuals over others on the basis of skin color or other minority status, so Congress and the Senate encourage racism.

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19 Oct 2010, 6:28 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

the definition of racism is hotly contested, but wikipedia has a succinct definition that i agree with:

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do you see that the minor actions that appear to be racism against whites are not included in this definition?

Notice that it also doesn't cover minor inconveniences to any race, nor does it cover disparaging statements about other races that fall short of claiming genetic inferiority.

yes.

nope, that is a minor inconvenience as long as disproportionately more white people have positions in those same fields. in many cases, even with equal opportunity employment programs, certain groups are still disadvantaged. affirmative action is intended to change systemic racism (also included in the definition).

besides, if there is a job to fill, and there are 2 equal candidates - one white and one black, why shouldn't the black person be selected, in those careers where they are underrepresented? why not fill the job with an individual who is institutionally disadvantaged, if all other aspects are equal?

in that definition, the "preferential treatment" is based on the idea of superiority. nobody is saying racial minorites are superior - simply equal. based on that distinction, affirmative action is not racist.

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19 Oct 2010, 6:43 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

if there is a job to fill, and there are 2 equal candidates -

Then flip a coin.

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19 Oct 2010, 6:55 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

if there is a job to fill, and there are 2 equal candidates -

Then flip a coin.

ahh, i see that once again you have ignored my main point. i already explained in the comment itself as to why one candidate would be chosen over another, but you are disregarding that part.

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19 Oct 2010, 7:07 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

if there is a job to fill, and there are 2 equal candidates -

Then flip a coin.

ahh, i see that once again you have ignored my main point. i already explained in the comment itself as to why one candidate would be chosen over another, but you are disregarding that part.

In another thread you actually responded that some forms of racism are acceptable. I hope you don't mind me disregarding that one as well.

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19 Oct 2010, 7:43 pm

Here on Planet Earth nobody's putting a gun to my head to stop me from hating any group I choose.

What planet do you live on?

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19 Oct 2010, 7:51 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

Here on Planet Earth nobody's putting a gun to my head to stop me from hating any group I choose.

What planet do you live on?

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19 Oct 2010, 8:23 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

if there is a job to fill, and there are 2 equal candidates -

Then flip a coin.

ahh, i see that once again you have ignored my main point. i already explained in the comment itself as to why one candidate would be chosen over another, but you are disregarding that part.

In another thread you actually responded that some forms of racism are acceptable. I hope you don't mind me disregarding that one as well.

and this would be called a distraction. you still ignored the answer i provided in the post that you sharply edited.

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19 Oct 2010, 10:46 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

if there is a job to fill, and there are 2 equal candidates -

Then flip a coin.

ahh, i see that once again you have ignored my main point. i already explained in the comment itself as to why one candidate would be chosen over another, but you are disregarding that part.

In another thread you actually responded that some forms of racism are acceptable. I hope you don't mind me disregarding that one as well.

and this would be called a distraction. you still ignored the answer i provided in the post that you sharply edited.

Righty-o. I'm sorry not to humor you further than to waste as few words as I feel compelled to by the little inklings of courtesy that haven't been completely drained by PPR.

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20 Oct 2010, 7:18 am

iamnotaparakeet, this is a good opportunity for you to reflect on whether you have actually BEEN courteous so far in PPR. i am not sure that you really value it here, yet if others come back at you with some of the same, you can't seem to handle it.

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20 Oct 2010, 1:49 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

The same could be said of you, do you realize that?

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20 Oct 2010, 3:12 pm

Whichever is shown in the mass media in a negative light. It could be just about all of the above. =.= This is where generalizations stem from. =/

I wish it wasn't so. I've been able in recent years to speak with lots of different people without referring to slurs, and treat them as humans, which we all are (unless you truely are an alien from outer space, in which case i greet you and hope you enjoy your stay on Earth, don't feed the humans, they bite and kill. :p ).

edit : lol, i just read the above and see that Keet playfully presented himself as an alien without my self knowing beforehand, goes to show!

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