23 Apr 2011, 2:22 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
This is what I think it is - and yes, I'm stepping on toes here so be warned, its a cocky assertion 
I think 'strident atheism' and the need to rick-roll religion's existence is certain atheists acknowledging that they understand that there's no meaning, at their core they can't deal with it, they need a mission in life and they end up finding that mission in being anti-religion. Once religion's gone, they're going to be between a rock and a hard place over what to wake up in the morning for next.
I think 'strident atheism' and the need to rick-roll religion's existence is certain atheists acknowledging that they understand that there's no meaning, at their core they can't deal with it, they need a mission in life and they end up finding that mission in being anti-religion. Once religion's gone, they're going to be between a rock and a hard place over what to wake up in the morning for next.
You're being fairly accurate in your assessment, and as has been pointed out earlier a lot of the provocations and bashing comes from the atheists here not Christians.
To add to the statement, I find it funny that Atheists here aren't bashing Islam like they bash Christians.
Most of the Atheist threads are humorous in nature. Unlike the homophobic, Islamophobic, or general xenophobic crap that comes out of some of the Theists here
btw I have criticized Islam on several occasions, as have others. However Muslims don't post here, as far as I know, or put threads up about Sharia law or whatever. The various Christians however can almost be expected to write about the worst their faith has to offer as there is no shortage of them here. Most of the 'bashing' as you term it comes as a response to really ignorant or offensive statements. When they aren't making offensive statements its rather civil
Actually, the Atheist posts tend to be mocking people whom are Christian, venomous, etc. Your idea of humor is such that if I used the same kind of statements you would be arguing for me to be banned.
Seriously, you may think it is funny, but in reality what you guys are calling funny is often downright offensive. You (as a group) constantly try to mock people whom are religious as being stupid, even people specifically on these forums. Your statements to the you (as a group) do not, is really quite laughable.
I don't engage in that sort of behavior. I am of the Apatheist school of Atheism, and I have posted pictures making fun of Atheism as well. In any case, the light humor you find so offensive is not even close to being equatable with the homophobia and xenophobia that some of the Christians here (including you) are responsible for. There are a lot of harmless Theistic threads that some Atheists do engage in in a non-offensive manner, but I don't expect you would mention that.
That's why I indicated how I was using the word "you." So I'm not addressing you specifically.
23 Apr 2011, 2:28 pm
DW_a_mom wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
It is a debate forum, so if people go there expressing religious views they will be debated, simple as that. I've noticed there is a general tendency for Aspies to be more logical and less accepting of irrational belief systems so when people just spout biblical stuff the Aspie mind is likely to say "give me some evidence or proof" and this is where the debates fall down, because religion is based on faith / self delusion / social memes not facts.
Another aspect is that WP's members are from all over the world and many Western countries / societies are no longer as religious as America or the Arab countries. So this cultural divide crops up quite frequently. I've noticed that particularly the bible belt posters of America are often shocked at the level of atheism elsewhere. Christianity is so engrained in their society that they find it difficult to comprehend they are in a minority in the world.
Mention "religion" or "belief systems" and debate will follow like day follows night.
Another aspect is that WP's members are from all over the world and many Western countries / societies are no longer as religious as America or the Arab countries. So this cultural divide crops up quite frequently. I've noticed that particularly the bible belt posters of America are often shocked at the level of atheism elsewhere. Christianity is so engrained in their society that they find it difficult to comprehend they are in a minority in the world.
Mention "religion" or "belief systems" and debate will follow like day follows night.
Can't this concept be conveyed without saying people of faith are self-deluded and following an irrational belief system? THAT is how this site is biased against faith. To speak in such derogatory terms and have it not be seem as offensive or attacking shows just how solidly that mindset exists here.
It hurts me. Every. Single. Time.
And yet ... I'm supposed to be believe that is just me being sensitive. That is how my objection to the terms is seen. I accept it, but I will always believe it is wrong. Feels great when people I care about and respect feel free to term an aspect of who I am as deluded and irrational ...
Nobody intends to upset the person behind a belief, but it someone claims something is true, that person has to give others a good reason to believe that, or acknowledge there is no reason anyone else should believe them, or care about that particular idea.
I used to be hurt when people tore down my arguments, but now I see it as an opportunity to learn something new.
There is no reason for people to try sugar coat the Truth; if people believe that one of your beliefs are irrational, show them otherwise. Draw a chain of reason from what you have seen/experienced, to your belief about the world. Avoid logical fallacies at all costs, and remember that if you use a particular form of argument ("I have faith", "You can't disprove God", "You can't explain this, so therefore God..."), others are equally entitled to make the same argument against you ("But I have faith", "You can't disprove my God", "You can't explain this, so therefore Shiva..."). The previous arguments are illogical.
If you can't come up with a good reason for others to believe in something, even if you believe it yourself, then others will probably ignore that idea. If I was to say "I was abducted by Aliens, but I haven't got any proof", I would understand why a rational person wouldn't believe me.
PPR is a place to learn, and have your beliefs tested; if they can't stand up to the heat, you didn't give a good reason for anyone to believe them.
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