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28 Jul 2011, 8:38 am

People can't afford health insurance. Solution? Force them to buy health insurance.
I absolutely hate that aspect of Obama's healthcare reform.
It smacks of "Let them eat cake."



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28 Jul 2011, 10:37 am

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the chickens of a dumbed-down American education system that quit attempting to teach critical thought for fear that it would offend the religious are finally coming home to roost in an American population that believes right-wingers who spout faith-based economics. We may, finally, have dumbed ourselves down to death (or at least international irrelevance, after one last grand dump in the global living room).


Faith based economics? Like spending within one's limits, acting prudently with the future in mind, and otherwise not being a moron? Or do you mean spending and having faith that eventually the money will exist to pay for everything purchased?



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28 Jul 2011, 11:34 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Both of you are delusional.


Me? Delusional?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No, I was referring to the conspiratorial nonsense from Inuyasha and iamnotaparakeet.



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28 Jul 2011, 11:46 am

marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
marshall wrote:
Both of you are delusional.


Me? Delusional?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No, I was referring to the conspiratorial nonsense from Inuyasha and iamnotaparakeet.


That's not conspiracy, that's political games. A form of campaigning while in office.



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28 Jul 2011, 12:01 pm

marshall wrote:
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marshall wrote:
Both of you are delusional.


Me? Delusional?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No, I was referring to the conspiratorial nonsense from Inuyasha and iamnotaparakeet.


I know, I know, I was just kidding! :lol:

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Jul 2011, 12:50 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
marshall wrote:
Both of you are delusional.


Me? Delusional?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No, I was referring to the conspiratorial nonsense from Inuyasha and iamnotaparakeet.


That's not conspiracy, that's political games. A form of campaigning while in office.


So you seriously believe Democrats want to make the economy worse so that more people will be dependent on welfare? That's just delusional as a worse economy actually benefits Republicans these days with a Democrat in the Oval Office.



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28 Jul 2011, 12:57 pm

marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
marshall wrote:
Both of you are delusional.


Me? Delusional?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No, I was referring to the conspiratorial nonsense from Inuyasha and iamnotaparakeet.


That's not conspiracy, that's political games. A form of campaigning while in office.


So you seriously believe Democrats want to make the economy worse so that more people will be dependent on welfare? That's just delusional as a worse economy actually benefits Republicans these days with a Democrat in the Oval Office.


Not Democrat voters, but those career politicians are set to benefit from it. A worse economy means more people in need of necessities and the politicians offer welfare in their campaign promises ad naseum. Do you not understand this or can you not?



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28 Jul 2011, 1:08 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
marshall wrote:
Both of you are delusional.


Me? Delusional?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No, I was referring to the conspiratorial nonsense from Inuyasha and iamnotaparakeet.


That's not conspiracy, that's political games. A form of campaigning while in office.


So you seriously believe Democrats want to make the economy worse so that more people will be dependent on welfare? That's just delusional as a worse economy actually benefits Republicans these days with a Democrat in the Oval Office.


Not Democrat voters, but those career politicians are set to benefit from it. A worse economy means more people in need of necessities and the politicians offer welfare in their campaign promises ad naseum. Do you not understand this or can you not?


I'm not talking about voters either. I understand your argument and it is a delusional right-wing hyper-partisan meme. This economy is NOT helping Democratic politicians. People would prefer to be able to support themselves on an honest living wage, not be forced to barely scrape by on the government dole.



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28 Jul 2011, 1:27 pm

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People would prefer to be able to support themselves on an honest living wage, not be forced to barely scrape by on the government dole.


That's good to know. Who's fault do you think it is that we're in a financial rut though? Lot of factors working to stink or is it all the (Republicans/Democrats/Bush's/Obama's/etc) fault? You seem to think it's to the Democratic Party's downfall to have an economic recession which is worsening, but have you not also stated that you consider it to be the fault of the Republicans in the House and Senate in the own political game? Would that not be just as much of a "delusional conspiracy" as what I have said or is it less of one because it would be closer to what you're willing to accept as true?



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28 Jul 2011, 1:57 pm

How about we mint a few trillion-dollar coins (borrowing an idea from CNN) and pay off our debts?
Our currency isn't backed up by anything but wishes and moonbeams, anyway.



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28 Jul 2011, 2:08 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
People would prefer to be able to support themselves on an honest living wage, not be forced to barely scrape by on the government dole.


That's good to know. Who's fault do you think it is that we're in a financial rut though? Lot of factors working to stink or is it all the (Republicans/Democrats/Bush's/Obama's/etc) fault? You seem to think it's to the Democratic Party's downfall to have an economic recession which is worsening, but have you not also stated that you consider it to be the fault of the Republicans in the House and Senate in the own political game? Would that not be just as much of a "delusional conspiracy" as what I have said or is it less of one because it would be closer to what you're willing to accept as true?

I don't think any one political party is solely at fault. I think the causes are complex and involve multiple factors. I'm also not going to pretend I have a perfect understanding of the economy.

I don't think the current economic depression is worsening. It's simply stagnant when people seemed to expect things to quickly "bounce back". I think private debt has a much bigger impact than public debt in making the economy unsound. We're not going to simply "bounce back" to pre-recession bubble levels of unemployment when that economy was simply being propped up by private debt and false speculation. I'd advise both parties to avoid making any idiotic promises of quick economic recovery. The Dems shot themselves in the foot with that one. It's idiotic to assume it wont take a long time to rebuild a real economic foundation when the previous foundation was simply a house of cards.



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28 Jul 2011, 2:50 pm

marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
People would prefer to be able to support themselves on an honest living wage, not be forced to barely scrape by on the government dole.


That's good to know. Who's fault do you think it is that we're in a financial rut though? Lot of factors working to stink or is it all the (Republicans/Democrats/Bush's/Obama's/etc) fault? You seem to think it's to the Democratic Party's downfall to have an economic recession which is worsening, but have you not also stated that you consider it to be the fault of the Republicans in the House and Senate in the own political game? Would that not be just as much of a "delusional conspiracy" as what I have said or is it less of one because it would be closer to what you're willing to accept as true?

I don't think any one political party is solely at fault. I think the causes are complex and involve multiple factors. I'm also not going to pretend I have a perfect understanding of the economy.

I don't think the current economic depression is worsening. It's simply stagnant when people seemed to expect things to quickly "bounce back". I think private debt has a much bigger impact than public debt in making the economy unsound. We're not going to simply "bounce back" to pre-recession bubble levels of unemployment when that economy was simply being propped up by private debt and false speculation. I'd advise both parties to avoid making any idiotic promises of quick economic recovery. The Dems shot themselves in the foot with that one. It's idiotic to assume it wont take a long time to rebuild a real economic foundation when the previous foundation was simply a house of cards.


The economy wasn't completely a house of cards though, otherwise it would have completely fallen apart. We should reduce our nations expenditures - including the wars that we're currently involved in - and to lift pressure off of our economy, that which affects whether jobs exist or not, reduce taxes to small business and medium sized businesses but maintain taxation levels on megacorporations like Wal-Fart. Also, to encourage new jobs in the States, eliminate frivolous taxation laws regarding manufacturing in the USA so as to allow products to be made here less expensively.



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28 Jul 2011, 10:24 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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the chickens of a dumbed-down American education system that quit attempting to teach critical thought for fear that it would offend the religious are finally coming home to roost in an American population that believes right-wingers who spout faith-based economics. We may, finally, have dumbed ourselves down to death (or at least international irrelevance, after one last grand dump in the global living room).


Faith based economics? Like spending within one's limits, acting prudently with the future in mind, and otherwise not being a moron? Or do you mean spending and having faith that eventually the money will exist to pay for everything purchased?

I mean Bachman and other tea-party wingnuts who keep on preaching that we can let the debt ceiling break and everything will still be fine, just fine.



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28 Jul 2011, 10:29 pm

LKL wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
LKL wrote:
the chickens of a dumbed-down American education system that quit attempting to teach critical thought for fear that it would offend the religious are finally coming home to roost in an American population that believes right-wingers who spout faith-based economics. We may, finally, have dumbed ourselves down to death (or at least international irrelevance, after one last grand dump in the global living room).


Faith based economics? Like spending within one's limits, acting prudently with the future in mind, and otherwise not being a moron? Or do you mean spending and having faith that eventually the money will exist to pay for everything purchased?

I mean Bachman and other tea-party wingnuts who keep on preaching that we can let the debt ceiling break and everything will still be fine, just fine.


This is the same woman who thinks the sky will be falling if we allow gay marriage.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Jul 2011, 10:51 pm

Both parties created the problem, and neither party's plans or conduct during the talks has been defendable, least of all Obama's.


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29 Jul 2011, 12:38 am

marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
marshall wrote:
Both of you are delusional.


Me? Delusional?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No, I was referring to the conspiratorial nonsense from Inuyasha and iamnotaparakeet.


That's not conspiracy, that's political games. A form of campaigning while in office.


So you seriously believe Democrats want to make the economy worse so that more people will be dependent on welfare? That's just delusional as a worse economy actually benefits Republicans these days with a Democrat in the Oval Office.


Not Democrat voters, but those career politicians are set to benefit from it. A worse economy means more people in need of necessities and the politicians offer welfare in their campaign promises ad naseum. Do you not understand this or can you not?


I'm not talking about voters either. I understand your argument and it is a delusional right-wing hyper-partisan meme. This economy is NOT helping Democratic politicians. People would prefer to be able to support themselves on an honest living wage, not be forced to barely scrape by on the government dole.


Sorry, that you find the truth to be delusional.

Fact of the matter is, all I've seen from you and others thus far on this topic are just DNC talking points.

For starters Bush's Medicare part D actually cost less than estimated and definately doesn't cost $2 trillion+ like Obamascam.