13 Aug 2011, 11:31 pm
Kraichgauer
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13 Aug 2011, 11:36 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative? The same reasons that an NT can be one.
Lack of empathy (ruveyn) and brains (rather not say)
Yeah liberals are generous to the poor with other people's money, sorry but that's not compassion, that's stealing.
Conservatives are generous to the poor with their own money, which they choose to donate, that is real compassion.
Taxation is theft, huh? So, the Pentagon is stealing people's money for national defense by your way of thinking. I know your answer, so I'll say it for you: no, it isn't. But neither are social programs that are financed by taxation, as there is a legitimate national interest at hand.
National Defense is a responsibility of the Federal Government and a legitimate item to collect taxes on.
Kraichgauer wrote:
And by the way, no matter how much wealthy individuals give to charity, there are limits, and so someone - a lot of someones most likely - will be left out. Programs financed by regular taxation will always be able to serve the public.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Yes we saw how effective the emergency agencies ran by the Federal Government were in the Gulf Oil Spill, they were actually interfering with clean up operations, not helping.
Really now? As I recall, the problems arose when BP failed to live up to their responsibility. The government practically had to twist their metaphorical arm out of their socket; and even then, they never lived up to their promises. On top of that, Republican politicians and tea baggers took BP's side, claiming that the government was extorting money from the poor little company, in order to give away welfare to layabouts (the gulf coast businessmen and locals who were the actual victims).
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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13 Aug 2011, 11:36 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative? The same reasons that an NT can be one.
Lack of empathy (ruveyn) and brains (rather not say)
Yeah liberals are generous to the poor with other people's money, sorry but that's not compassion, that's stealing.
Conservatives are generous to the poor with their own money, which they choose to donate, that is real compassion.
Taxation is theft, huh? So, the Pentagon is stealing people's money for national defense by your way of thinking. I know your answer, so I'll say it for you: no, it isn't. But neither are social programs that are financed by taxation, as there is a legitimate national interest at hand.
National Defense is a responsibility of the Federal Government and a legitimate item to collect taxes on.
Kraichgauer wrote:
And by the way, no matter how much wealthy individuals give to charity, there are limits, and so someone - a lot of someones most likely - will be left out. Programs financed by regular taxation will always be able to serve the public.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Yes we saw how effective the emergency agencies ran by the Federal Government were in the Gulf Oil Spill, they were actually interfering with clean up operations, not helping.
Really now? As I recall, the problems arose when BP failed to live up to their responsibility. The government practically had to twist their metaphorical arm out of their socket; and even then, they never lived up to their promises. On top of that, Republican politicians and tea baggers took BP's side, claiming that the government was extorting money from the poor little company, in order to give away welfare to layabouts (the gulf coast businessmen and locals who were the actual victims).
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
13 Aug 2011, 11:37 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative? The same reasons that an NT can be one.
Lack of empathy (ruveyn) and brains (rather not say)
Yeah liberals are generous to the poor with other people's money, sorry but that's not compassion, that's stealing.
Conservatives are generous to the poor with their own money, which they choose to donate, that is real compassion.
Taxation is theft, huh? So, the Pentagon is stealing people's money for national defense by your way of thinking. I know your answer, so I'll say it for you: no, it isn't. But neither are social programs that are financed by taxation, as there is a legitimate national interest at hand.
National Defense is a responsibility of the Federal Government and a legitimate item to collect taxes on.
You should pay closer attention to Kraichgauer's posts so that you actually respond to his points. He claims that social programs are also a legitimate responsibility of the federal government, and so collecting taxes to fund them is completely justifiable.
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13 Aug 2011, 11:39 pm
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative? The same reasons that an NT can be one.
Lack of empathy (ruveyn) and brains (rather not say)
Yeah liberals are generous to the poor with other people's money, sorry but that's not compassion, that's stealing.
Conservatives are generous to the poor with their own money, which they choose to donate, that is real compassion.
Taxation is theft, huh? So, the Pentagon is stealing people's money for national defense by your way of thinking. I know your answer, so I'll say it for you: no, it isn't. But neither are social programs that are financed by taxation, as there is a legitimate national interest at hand.
National Defense is a responsibility of the Federal Government and a legitimate item to collect taxes on.
You should pay closer attention to Kraichgauer's posts so that you actually respond to his points. He claims that social programs are also a legitimate responsibility of the federal government, and so collecting taxes to fund them is completely justifiable.
Thank you, Orwell.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
13 Aug 2011, 11:41 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative? The same reasons that an NT can be one.
Lack of empathy (ruveyn) and brains (rather not say)
Yeah liberals are generous to the poor with other people's money, sorry but that's not compassion, that's stealing.
Conservatives are generous to the poor with their own money, which they choose to donate, that is real compassion.
Taxation is theft, huh? So, the Pentagon is stealing people's money for national defense by your way of thinking. I know your answer, so I'll say it for you: no, it isn't. But neither are social programs that are financed by taxation, as there is a legitimate national interest at hand.
National Defense is a responsibility of the Federal Government and a legitimate item to collect taxes on.
Kraichgauer wrote:
And by the way, no matter how much wealthy individuals give to charity, there are limits, and so someone - a lot of someones most likely - will be left out. Programs financed by regular taxation will always be able to serve the public.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Yes we saw how effective the emergency agencies ran by the Federal Government were in the Gulf Oil Spill, they were actually interfering with clean up operations, not helping.
Really now? As I recall, the problems arose when BP failed to live up to their responsibility. The government practically had to twist their metaphorical arm out of their socket; and even then, they never lived up to their promises. On top of that, Republican politicians and tea baggers took BP's side, claiming that the government was extorting money from the poor little company, in order to give away welfare to layabouts (the gulf coast businessmen and locals who were the actual victims).
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Here is where your stance is in the wrong:
As unpopular as BP was and unpopular as the Republican position was, from a moral, legal, and Constitutional Standpoint they were right and the Democrats (including you) were in the wrong.
The Constitution forbids laws from acting retro-actively, they can only apply to events that occur after something becomes law, not something that occurred before the law was written. The Democrats in their zeal to go after BP, crossed the line and were pushing for something that was unconstitutional, to make matters worse I think the Dems new that and didn't care.
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13 Aug 2011, 11:58 pm
14 Aug 2011, 12:00 am
14 Aug 2011, 12:06 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It’s “wheat from the chaff”, not “wheat from the shaft”.
Just thought I’d point that out………..
Raptor
A hard hearted conservative.
Quote:
In my opinion though, those found to be ablest bodied to work by the most hard hearted conservatives may in fact not be able bodied - or may in fact have a psychological or developmental disorder. Right wing politics have become so intertwined in plans to sort "the wheat from the shaft," that virtually no one's benefits would be safe. Scott Walker's plans for drug testing the recipients of benefits in Florida is actually driven more by politics than it is in the name of law and order. I see more of conservative vindictiveness in these so called reforms, based on the assumption that the poor are getting a free ride.
It’s “wheat from the chaff”, not “wheat from the shaft”.
Just thought I’d point that out………..
Raptor
A hard hearted conservative.
Being that you're obviously versed in the bible enough to correct me on chaff and wheat, how is it you can take pride in being a hard hearted conservative?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Actually I didn’t know that was from the bible.
I am a Christian, though not very religious, but most all of the religious people I’ve ever known are conservatives or at worse only moderates.
Hard hearted? Well, to you aren’t all conservatives hard hearted?
BTW¸ I used “hard hearted conservative” as a title back there mostly for its galling effect.
Apparently it served the purpose……
14 Aug 2011, 12:12 am
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14 Aug 2011, 12:14 am
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14 Aug 2011, 12:21 am
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14 Aug 2011, 12:27 am
14 Aug 2011, 12:39 am
14 Aug 2011, 12:41 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I know the feeling. My wife and I are doubtlessly the poorest, but also the most liberal people in our church - sort of the mirror image. But I have to call BS on the notion that only conservatives are Christians.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I am probably the poorest member of my church, financially speaking- but then I am a student, and that is to be expected for the time being. I really detest the assumption that Christians must be conservative- there is precious little support for right-wing political ideas in the actual teachings of Christ.
Agreed about how Christ's teachings were hardly conducive to right wing politics. When I talk to fellow church members about politics - which happens more often than you might guess - most will agree with me in the end.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Well it's funny how anyone that could call themselves Christians would viciously strip all references and symbols of Christianity from the public (Ten Commandments from public or government buildings, prayer from school, “In God We Trust” from currency, etc….) under the pretense of “separation of church and state” or whatever.
Give me a break…..
