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28 Sep 2011, 10:20 am

It is really pathetic that we try to find amoral substitutes when what is already in place works. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. People who say otherwise are cowards.



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28 Sep 2011, 10:24 am

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WHat is so bad about it? Absolutely nothing.

I mean, seriously. People who belittle it are a bunch of moral cowards. Abstinence is the best way to avoid tragedy, hands down. Condoms barely work because microscopic holes let STDs through and burst open inside people all the time


Actually, what you've just repeated about condoms is nothing more than baseless propaganda by people who are afraid that the use of prophylactics will only encourage promiscuity, or even equate the use of as abortion.
Couples who make use of condoms would be pregnant a hundred times over, or would be passing diseases back and forth, and that just isn't happening.

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28 Sep 2011, 10:28 am

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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
If the concept wasn't fundamentally broken in the first place then this thread wouldn't exist.


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28 Sep 2011, 10:29 am

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It is really pathetic that we try to find amoral substitutes when what is already in place works. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. People who say otherwise are cowards.


For you and me it works somehow we can be celibate outside of marriage and faithful inside it.
<I mostly used my personality for birth control.>
But I can do a lot of things other people can't.
I think abstinence plus programs are peachy keen.
i.e. keep it in your pants don't sleep around but if you do use a condom.
compromise reached.


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28 Sep 2011, 10:31 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
over9000 wrote:
WHat is so bad about it? Absolutely nothing.

I mean, seriously. People who belittle it are a bunch of moral cowards. Abstinence is the best way to avoid tragedy, hands down. Condoms barely work because microscopic holes let STDs through and burst open inside people all the time


Actually, what you've just repeated about condoms is nothing more than baseless propaganda by people who are afraid that the use of prophylactics will only encourage promiscuity, or even equate the use of as abortion.
Couples who make use of condoms would be pregnant a hundred times over, or would be passing diseases back and forth, and that just isn't happening.

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LOLWUT.

You truly are a sick, horrible person if you think it is worth the risk. I am not denying the fact that it works, just that it doesn't work as well. You would rather let people get sick or get pregnant by complete surprise than tell them the truth and tell them abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent such tragedies?

This is just another example of passion over reason. You want sex so bad that you are going to try to get away without the consequences.



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28 Sep 2011, 10:41 am

over9000 wrote:
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WHat is so bad about it? Absolutely nothing.

I mean, seriously. People who belittle it are a bunch of moral cowards. Abstinence is the best way to avoid tragedy, hands down. Condoms barely work because microscopic holes let STDs through and burst open inside people all the time


Actually, what you've just repeated about condoms is nothing more than baseless propaganda by people who are afraid that the use of prophylactics will only encourage promiscuity, or even equate the use of as abortion.
Couples who make use of condoms would be pregnant a hundred times over, or would be passing diseases back and forth, and that just isn't happening.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


LOLWUT.

You truly are a sick, horrible person if you think it is worth the risk. I am not denying the fact that it works, just that it doesn't work as well. You would rather let people get sick or get pregnant by complete surprise than tell them the truth and tell them abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent such tragedies?


Condoms do in fact prevent STD infections, and pregnancies - 100%. The only time that's compromised is if the condom breaks, and that's very, very rare. I would credit breaking more to the shoddy make of cheaper products than to the fire power of any man, no matter what he wants to believe about himself.
By the way, calling me a sick, horrible person made me laugh - hardly the desired effect I think you were intending.

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28 Sep 2011, 10:42 am

over9000 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
over9000 wrote:
WHat is so bad about it? Absolutely nothing.

I mean, seriously. People who belittle it are a bunch of moral cowards. Abstinence is the best way to avoid tragedy, hands down. Condoms barely work because microscopic holes let STDs through and burst open inside people all the time


Actually, what you've just repeated about condoms is nothing more than baseless propaganda by people who are afraid that the use of prophylactics will only encourage promiscuity, or even equate the use of as abortion.
Couples who make use of condoms would be pregnant a hundred times over, or would be passing diseases back and forth, and that just isn't happening.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


LOLWUT.

You truly are a sick, horrible person if you think it is worth the risk. I am not denying the fact that it works, just that it doesn't work as well. You would rather let people get sick or get pregnant by complete surprise than tell them the truth and tell them abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent such tragedies?


and here we have the sole reason i have a problem with abstinence, idocy run rampant.

now i have no problem with you being abstinent, i have no problem with it being offered as a choice to young people,
i do have a problem when they try to lie without any real basis for those lies and still pass it as truth.

i also have a problem with people trying to gain a moral high ground on their own views and values without any regard for others.


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28 Sep 2011, 10:44 am

over9000 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
over9000 wrote:
WHat is so bad about it? Absolutely nothing.

I mean, seriously. People who belittle it are a bunch of moral cowards. Abstinence is the best way to avoid tragedy, hands down. Condoms barely work because microscopic holes let STDs through and burst open inside people all the time


Actually, what you've just repeated about condoms is nothing more than baseless propaganda by people who are afraid that the use of prophylactics will only encourage promiscuity, or even equate the use of as abortion.
Couples who make use of condoms would be pregnant a hundred times over, or would be passing diseases back and forth, and that just isn't happening.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


LOLWUT.

You truly are a [1]sick, horrible person if you think it is worth the risk. I am not denying the fact that it works, just that it doesn't work as well. You would rather let people get sick or get pregnant by complete surprise than tell them the truth and tell them abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent such tragedies?


In abstinence plus and most if not all sex-ed programs they do talk about not doing it.
I have never heard about anyone hiding the concept of abstinence from anyone.
[1]watch the personal insults apparently we live in a place where that is not allowed. :lol:

you know what I remember in my high school health class they said
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the only way to completely prevent pregnancy and STD's
is abstinence but for those of you who are too stupid to do that use a condom.


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28 Sep 2011, 10:48 am

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over9000 wrote:
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WHat is so bad about it? Absolutely nothing.

I mean, seriously. People who belittle it are a bunch of moral cowards. Abstinence is the best way to avoid tragedy, hands down. Condoms barely work because microscopic holes let STDs through and burst open inside people all the time


Actually, what you've just repeated about condoms is nothing more than baseless propaganda by people who are afraid that the use of prophylactics will only encourage promiscuity, or even equate the use of as abortion.
Couples who make use of condoms would be pregnant a hundred times over, or would be passing diseases back and forth, and that just isn't happening.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


LOLWUT.

You truly are a sick, horrible person if you think it is worth the risk. I am not denying the fact that it works, just that it doesn't work as well. You would rather let people get sick or get pregnant by complete surprise than tell them the truth and tell them abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent such tragedies?


Condoms do in fact prevent STD infections, and pregnancies - 100%. The only time that's compromised is if the condom breaks, and that's very, very rare. I would credit breaking more to the shoddy make of cheaper products than to the fire power of any man, no matter what he wants to believe about himself.
By the way, calling me a sick, horrible person made me laugh - hardly the desired effect I think you were intending.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


100%? Have you forgotten that microscopic holes let HIV though with ridiculous ease, with the ease of a ping pong ball through a basket ball hoop?



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28 Sep 2011, 10:49 am

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over9000 wrote:
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WHat is so bad about it? Absolutely nothing.

I mean, seriously. People who belittle it are a bunch of moral cowards. Abstinence is the best way to avoid tragedy, hands down. Condoms barely work because microscopic holes let STDs through and burst open inside people all the time


Actually, what you've just repeated about condoms is nothing more than baseless propaganda by people who are afraid that the use of prophylactics will only encourage promiscuity, or even equate the use of as abortion.
Couples who make use of condoms would be pregnant a hundred times over, or would be passing diseases back and forth, and that just isn't happening.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


LOLWUT.

You truly are a [1]sick, horrible person if you think it is worth the risk. I am not denying the fact that it works, just that it doesn't work as well. You would rather let people get sick or get pregnant by complete surprise than tell them the truth and tell them abstinence is the only 100% way to prevent such tragedies?


In abstinence plus and most if not all sex-ed programs they do talk about not doing it.
I have never heard about anyone hiding the concept of abstinence from anyone.
[1]watch the personal insults apparently we live in a place where that is not allowed. :lol:

you know what I remember in my high school health class they said
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the only way to completely prevent pregnancy and STD's
is abstinence but for those of you who are too stupid to do that use a condom.


Very sound advise. :lol:
What I find very funny is that the people who promote abstinence while at the same time lie about the safety of condoms also absolutely discourage masturbation. Hell, without self gratification, I would have died a long time ago from pent up frustration, before I met my wife.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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28 Sep 2011, 10:50 am

JakobVirgil wrote:
over9000 wrote:
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you know what I remember in my high school health class they said
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the only way to completely prevent pregnancy and STD's
is abstinence but for those of you who are too stupid to do that use a condom.


That made me laugh. Stupid enough to run the risk with a condom that is probably going to fail.



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28 Sep 2011, 10:52 am

The reason they discourage masturbation is because abstinence also makes sex a lot more enjoyable when you finally do it. People who practice abstinence tend to enjoy sex more because they don't take it for granted. Doesn't that sound much better?



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100%? Have you forgotten that microscopic holes let HIV though with ridiculous ease, with the ease of a ping pong ball through a basket ball hoop?
:roll: Still waiting for that substantive backup.


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28 Sep 2011, 10:53 am

over9000 wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
over9000 wrote:
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you know what I remember in my high school health class they said
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the only way to completely prevent pregnancy and STD's
is abstinence but for those of you who are too stupid to do that use a condom.


That made me laugh. Stupid enough to run the risk with a condom that is probably going to fail.


please provide peer reviewed evidence for that claim or accept that it is nothing but baseless lies and propaganda.

there is a risk, a very well documented one, but it is in no way "most" or "high risk"

why havent i had an STD then?
why havent i become a farther?

before i met my girfriend i always used a condom and i never had any troubles, now i dont need to, we have other contraception that works.


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28 Sep 2011, 10:53 am

over9000 wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
over9000 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
over9000 wrote:

you know what I remember in my high school health class they said
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the only way to completely prevent pregnancy and STD's
is abstinence but for those of you who are too stupid to do that use a condom.


That made me laugh. Stupid enough to run the risk with a condom that is probably going to fail.


A condom will not probably fail.
Do you know how they test them? They fill them up with water like water like water balloons, till the breaking point. No man is going to excrete that much sperm!

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28 Sep 2011, 10:56 am

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That made me laugh. Stupid enough to run the risk with a condom that is probably going to fail.
"Probably" - really?
What exactly is the probability of condom failures? What are the mechanisms of any failures?
Have you ever actually checked any of this stuff out for yourself?


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