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Should states be allowed to withdraw from the union if a majority of the state's population agrees?
Yes! 45%  45%  [ 24 ]
No! 21%  21%  [ 11 ]
Oh look, SHEEP! 34%  34%  [ 18 ]
Total votes : 53

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22 Nov 2012, 6:01 pm

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Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06 ... z2CzCRwz5M

Reason I actually know about this is because I don't drink mediamatter's kool-aid.


You missed a critical 88 seconds of Fox broadcasting.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2011/0 ... hei/178624

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You must have taken the wrong 88 seconds to pee out the kool-aid.



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22 Nov 2012, 6:37 pm

I don't recall those two guys ever actually stopping anyone from voting. At most, they were loitering. Ask older black Americans about voter intimidation, and you'll hear the real story.

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23 Nov 2012, 12:28 am

As it stands, I think there are lots of mummies who 'need' to kiss the 'royal' arses of these people threatening secession. Replace kiss with spank, and replace royal with undeserved.


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23 Nov 2012, 3:32 pm

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I don't recall those two guys ever actually stopping anyone from voting. At most, they were loitering. Ask older black Americans about voter intimidation, and you'll hear the real story.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It is illegal to carry a potentially deadly weapon within a certain distance of a polling place, that night stick more than qualifies...



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23 Nov 2012, 3:37 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't recall those two guys ever actually stopping anyone from voting. At most, they were loitering. Ask older black Americans about voter intimidation, and you'll hear the real story.
It is illegal to carry a potentially deadly weapon within a certain distance of a polling place, that night stick more than qualifies...

Is that your opinion, or the qualified opinion of a federal judge?



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23 Nov 2012, 3:57 pm

Fnord wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't recall those two guys ever actually stopping anyone from voting. At most, they were loitering. Ask older black Americans about voter intimidation, and you'll hear the real story.
It is illegal to carry a potentially deadly weapon within a certain distance of a polling place, that night stick more than qualifies...

Is that your opinion, or the qualified opinion of a federal judge?


Considering they were actually convicted and then the charges were dismissed by DoJ, with the prosecutor of the case resigning in protest to DoJ's behavior that's a pretty good indicator.

The clash between the commission and the Justice Department has its origins in an election day incident in which two members of the New Black Panther Party, one of whom was carrying a nightstick, were captured on videotape standing outside a polling station in Philadelphia. According to a witness, the Panthers shouted racial slurs; one said, presumably to a white voter: "Now you will see what it is like to be ruled by the black man, cracker." In the closing days of the George W. Bush administration, the department filed a complaint against the two men, along with the head of the party and the organization itself, asking a court to rule that they had violated the law and to order them not to engage in similar conduct. After President Obama took office, however, the department decided that charges should be dropped against all of the defendants except the man with the nightstick. The department succeeded in obtaining an injunction to forbid him from carrying a weapon at a polling place in the future.

The Panthers' behavior was outrageous, even if no voter was actually deterred from exercising the franchise. But there is no evidence that the charges were dropped because of political pressure or lack of sympathy for white voters. Assistant Atty. Gen. Tom Perez told the Civil Rights Commission that the department had concluded that there was insufficient evidence to establish a violation by the other three defendants. Reasonable lawyers could differ on that question, and in fact some lower-ranking lawyers believed strongly in the case against all four parties.

One of those lawyers, J. Christian Adams, defended the original charges Tuesday in testimony before the commission. Adams, who has since resigned from the department, said: "I was told by voting section management that cases are not going to be brought against black defendants on [behalf] of white victims." If the commission heard from other lawyers in the section, he said, "little doubt would remain whether or not open hostility exists toward race-neutral and equal enforcement of the voting laws."

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/08 ... s-20100708

LA Times tried to downplay it somewhat, but this falls under the Voting Rights Act, that was passed during the 1960s.



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23 Nov 2012, 4:07 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I don't recall those two guys ever actually stopping anyone from voting. At most, they were loitering. Ask older black Americans about voter intimidation, and you'll hear the real story.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It is illegal to carry a potentially deadly weapon within a certain distance of a polling place, that night stick more than qualifies...


That was obviously a dumb move on that guy's part. But is there any evidence that he had ever intended to use it?

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23 Nov 2012, 10:02 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html

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Black electorate responds mightily to perceived voter-intimidation efforts

For many African Americans, this election was not just about holding on to history, but also confronting what they perceived as a shadowy campaign to suppress the black vote.

Black voters responded with a historic turnout here in Ohio and strong showings across a range of battleground states, according to exit poll results. Buoyed by the Obama campaign’s sophisticated ground operation, African Americans helped provide the edge in Virginia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and perhaps Florida, which remained too close to call Wednesday. Their support narrowed President Obama’s losing margin in North Carolina.
Analysts, voters and politicians said that a series of episodes here in Ohio — where exit polls showed black voters accounting for 15 percent of Tuesday’s electorate, up from 11 percent in 2008 — were seen by African Americans as efforts to keep them from voting, stirring a profound backlash on Election Day.

“That was a strong motivator because we know we got here through blood, sweat and tears,” said state Sen. Nina Turner (D-Cleveland).

She was among those who fought for the removal of dozens of billboards that appeared in largely black enclaves of Cleveland and Milwaukee declaring “Voter Fraud is a Felony!” and threatening jail time and hefty fines for violators.

Decisions to limit early voting to weekdays also stirred ire, as did a widely reported comment by Doug Preisse, chairman of the Republican Party in Franklin County, who said in an e-mail to the Columbus Dispatch, “I guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine.

When the Obama campaign successfully sued to open polls on the final weekend of the early-voting period, black voters thronged many polling stations. ....

African American voters had more concrete relationships with Obama in this election and had benefited from his first term, said David Bositis, a researcher with the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies. Obama’s health-care overhaul, in particular, offered a disproportionate benefit to African Americans, 36 percent of whom previously lacked health coverage, as opposed to whites, 12 percent of whom lacked coverage, he said.....

We don’t have a choice but to vote,” he said, noting the struggles of black people to achieve that right.

The effort to enact a voter ID law in North Carolina — which passed the General Assembly but was vetoed by Gov. Beverly Perdue (D) — was arguably the biggest factor in getting black people to the polls, said William Barber, president of the North Carolina NAACP...



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23 Nov 2012, 10:08 pm

And, here is a summary of Sean Hannity's nonsense

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 ... ars/190130



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23 Nov 2012, 10:52 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
And, here is a summary of Sean Hannity's nonsense

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 ... ars/190130


Thank you for reminding me what a pit of lying vipers Fox is. I needed something to rekindle my rage. :twisted:
And you know something, to attack the President is one thing - that's what political opponents do - but to attack the first lady is going below low. I don't recall Democrats attacking Republican first ladies.

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23 Nov 2012, 11:00 pm

Whenever Inuyasha posts anything, of course it is coming directly from Fox Noise. Media Matters often provides a valuable service in setting the record straight. Be sure to check Media Matters. You just might bring a quick end to what might overwise be an overly lengthy argument.



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23 Nov 2012, 11:52 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
And, here is a summary of Sean Hannity's nonsense

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 ... ars/190130


Thank you for reminding me what a pit of lying vipers Fox is. I needed something to rekindle my rage. :twisted:
And you know something, to attack the President is one thing - that's what political opponents do - but to attack the first lady is going below low. I don't recall Democrats attacking Republican first ladies.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


If media matters is your star source your case is in serious trouble considering they declared a proverbial jihad against Fox News which is a highly partisan act, and in violation of Federal Law considering their tax-exempt status.



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24 Nov 2012, 1:37 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
And, here is a summary of Sean Hannity's nonsense

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 ... ars/190130


Thank you for reminding me what a pit of lying vipers Fox is. I needed something to rekindle my rage. :twisted:
And you know something, to attack the President is one thing - that's what political opponents do - but to attack the first lady is going below low. I don't recall Democrats attacking Republican first ladies.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


If media matters is your star source your case is in serious trouble considering they declared a proverbial jihad against Fox News which is a highly partisan act, and in violation of Federal Law considering their tax-exempt status.


Everything ArrantPariah's source said was backed up with direct quotes from Fox News. Sort of hard to get around that point.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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24 Nov 2012, 2:32 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
And, here is a summary of Sean Hannity's nonsense

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 ... ars/190130


Thank you for reminding me what a pit of lying vipers Fox is. I needed something to rekindle my rage. :twisted:
And you know something, to attack the President is one thing - that's what political opponents do - but to attack the first lady is going below low. I don't recall Democrats attacking Republican first ladies.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


If media matters is your star source your case is in serious trouble considering they declared a proverbial jihad against Fox News which is a highly partisan act, and in violation of Federal Law considering their tax-exempt status.


Everything ArrantPariah's source said was backed up with direct quotes from Fox News. Sort of hard to get around that point.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You mean like the partial quotes like the last time where you guys were claiming Glenn Beck was advocating that people should shoot liberals in the head, when the full video demonstrated that wasn't even remotely what he was saying....

I really don't feel like having to waste my time to demonstrate mediamatters' blatent dishonesty when the two of you should know better by now...



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24 Nov 2012, 2:54 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
And, here is a summary of Sean Hannity's nonsense

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 ... ars/190130


Thank you for reminding me what a pit of lying vipers Fox is. I needed something to rekindle my rage. :twisted:
And you know something, to attack the President is one thing - that's what political opponents do - but to attack the first lady is going below low. I don't recall Democrats attacking Republican first ladies.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


If media matters is your star source your case is in serious trouble considering they declared a proverbial jihad against Fox News which is a highly partisan act, and in violation of Federal Law considering their tax-exempt status.


Everything ArrantPariah's source said was backed up with direct quotes from Fox News. Sort of hard to get around that point.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You mean like the partial quotes like the last time where you guys were claiming Glenn Beck was advocating that people should shoot liberals in the head, when the full video demonstrated that wasn't even remotely what he was saying....

I really don't feel like having to waste my time to demonstrate mediamatters' blatent dishonesty when the two of you should know better by now...


I fail to see how you can get around the quotes provided by media matters. Stuff like Michele Malkin calling the President "the thug -in - chief," or the ugly things said about the First Lady are indefensible, even if they were - as you claim - taken out of context.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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24 Nov 2012, 7:52 am

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