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26 Nov 2012, 4:40 pm

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So I personally have to go and meet every individual on welfare and make an assessment of them in order to make this conclusion?

Yes you do, if you expect reasonable people to take your judgments seriously.

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Please, stop living in that fantasy bubble you've place yourself in.

And I request you sir, to get off your high horse and walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you judge them.

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As Immanuel Kant would of said, it's through the combination of empirical insight AND reason that one makes a final judgement.

Okay, where's your empirical evidence for each person you've judged? Can't have empirical insight without evidence. Assumptions do not count.

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26 Nov 2012, 4:50 pm

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I think that people who think conservatives and libertarians act like Montgomery Burns and laugh at starving people need to stop watching MSNBC. Libertarians especially believe strongly in helping others, we just don't believe the government should take our money and redistribute it, but I bet you will see libertarians donating to charity, I bet you will see them volunteering (hell, several of my friends are volunteer paramedics and libertarian). Paul Ryan, despite making less money than Biden, gave 3x more to charity than Biden.

The problem is when you rely on charity alone the job just doesn't get done The inevitable end result is all kinds of people falling through the cracks. You have to own up to being a-okay with that because that's exactly what will happen.

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26 Nov 2012, 4:51 pm

I'm noticing that I have to acquiesce often, and pull this out, but oh well.

Let's just agree to disagree, my good sir.

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26 Nov 2012, 4:55 pm

Seabass wrote:

I'm noticing that I to acquiesce often, and pull this out, but oh well.

Let's just agree to disagree, my good sir.

Aw 'cmon!

It was just gettin' good!

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26 Nov 2012, 4:57 pm

Seabass wrote:

I'm noticing that I to acquiesce often, and pull this out, but oh well.

Let's just agree to disagree, my good sir.

It's hard to do that when you hold positions that will make other people's lives hellish if implemented.

http://www.zompist.com/libertos.html

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26 Nov 2012, 5:01 pm

marshall wrote:

Seabass wrote:

I'm noticing that I to acquiesce often, and pull this out, but oh well.

Let's just agree to disagree, my good sir.

It's hard to do that when you hold positions that will make other people's lives hellish if implemented.

http://www.zompist.com/libertos.html

Same goes for you. I'd rather live in libertarian structured Honk Kong than "just came out of communism no win the trenches of crony capitalism" China.

By the way, that link sent me nowhere.

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26 Nov 2012, 5:05 pm

Seabass wrote:

marshall wrote:

Seabass wrote:

I'm noticing that I to acquiesce often, and pull this out, but oh well.

Let's just agree to disagree, my good sir.

It's hard to do that when you hold positions that will make other people's lives hellish if implemented.

http://www.zompist.com/libertos.html

Same goes for you. I'd rather live in libertarian structured Honk Kong than "just came out of communism no in the trenches of crony capitalism China".

Unlike the US there is "socialized medicine" in Hong Kong so it might just be to communist for you. You really should go John Galt and move to Antarctica.

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26 Nov 2012, 5:07 pm

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By the way, that link sent me nowhere.

Fixed.

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26 Nov 2012, 5:36 pm

I got halfway through that and couldn't go on. It was trying to seems a lot more intellectual than it actually was. In other words, pretentious. Did you write that, Marshall? You very well could of. I found the that the quotes he presented actually contradicted his arguments, no matter how much he claimed it gave them merit. But of course, you'd need to have extensive background knowledge of the contexts he was presenting to notice it.

Oh, and Hong Kong is not that large. I'm not surprised socialized medicine works there. Especially with a libertarian framework to lean back on. How about we bring medicine to the state level, then it would be comparable.

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26 Nov 2012, 10:39 pm

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The quickest way to destroy the quality of any service is to let the State have a monopoly in providing it. Whatever the government touches soon becomes brown, smelly and sticky.

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