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22 Aug 2014, 8:30 am

So....

1) Giants existing doesnt explain anything that can't be better explained other ways.

2) There isnt a shred of evidence for a race of giants ever existing.

3) Human beings over eight feet tall couldnt even function as human beings for anatomical/skeletal reasons.

It just keeps getter better and better for your giants!

So remind us again. Why are we supposed to take ancient giants seriously again?



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22 Aug 2014, 8:33 am

naturalplastic wrote:
So remind us again. Why are we supposed to take ancient giants seriously again?


Because it is her pet fantasy of the moment.


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22 Aug 2014, 9:41 am

naturalplastic wrote:
So....
3) Human beings over eight feet tall couldnt even function as human beings for anatomical/skeletal reasons.



Don't be so sure about that and admit there are possibilities that people overlook. People are not infallible. They miss stuff all the time. Why? Because they refuse to acknowledge what they don't wish to.



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22 Aug 2014, 9:57 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
So....
3) Human beings over eight feet tall couldnt even function as human beings for anatomical/skeletal reasons.



Don't be so sure about that and admit there are possibilities that people overlook. People are not infallible. They miss stuff all the time. Why? Because they refuse to acknowledge what they don't wish to.


The health consequences of being 8 feet tall:

http://bodyodd.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/0 ... nches?lite

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It seems being this tall comes at a steep price. "The human body and heart is not well designed for a person who is 8 (feet) tall," points out Sheehan.

As a result, Kosen's skeletal frame was so big that his joints, bones and muscles were weak in relation to his height. He has joint problems and can't walk without crutches.


He got this tall as the result of a pituitary tumour. I left out the health consequences that are a result of having a tumour and only copy/pasted the ones that are a consequence of being so tall.



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22 Aug 2014, 10:17 am

That's why I think they had a shorter lifespan than more average size folk. If someone can be five foot tall they can just as easily be eight feet tall. It doesn't make sense man can walk upright for hours on end yet he can. Doesn't make sense that man can fly around in the sky yet he can. Doesn't make sense that man can float for months on the seas yet he can.

Most of what mankind does seems impossible.


Anyway, what does history tell us? That certain ethnic groups were referred to as giants by other ethnic groups and others were not. These giants were vulgar, primitive in hospitality, and worshiped idols. These giants had other genetic anomolies characteristic of their interrelated group. Of course it is not certain such people existed however it isn't an impossibility, either.



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22 Aug 2014, 10:41 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
That's why I think they had a shorter lifespan than more average size folk. If someone can be five foot tall they can just as easily be eight feet tall. It doesn't make sense man can walk upright for hours on end yet he can. Doesn't make sense that man can fly around in the sky yet he can. Doesn't make sense that man can float for months on the seas yet he can.

Most of what mankind does seems impossible.


Huh? All those things make sense- except for the one about being 8 feet tall being just as easy as 5 feet tall. Much to the woe of people with pituitary problems who get that tall, we really don't have bodies that can handle being so tall.


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Anyway, what does history tell us? That certain ethnic groups were referred to as giants by other ethnic groups and others were not. These giants were vulgar, primitive in hospitality, and worshiped idols. These giants had other genetic anomolies characteristic of their interrelated group. Of course it is not certain such people existed however it isn't an impossibility, either.


All the evidence points against it. You have found no evidence in favor of it. Where do you draw the line on what to believe in the absence of evidence?



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22 Aug 2014, 11:07 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
So....
3) Human beings over eight feet tall couldnt even function as human beings for anatomical/skeletal reasons.



Don't be so sure about that and admit there are possibilities that people overlook. People are not infallible. They miss stuff all the time. Why? Because they refuse to acknowledge what they don't wish to.


"what they dont WISH too."?????

WTF are you talking about?

There is a cabal of folks who have a vested interest in surpressing the story of Jack-and-the-Beanstalk ?

And what do you mean "dont be too sure about it"? You have evidence to the contrary? Evidence that human bone can support more wieght than we thought? What is this evidence?



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22 Aug 2014, 11:29 am

In the 1960s and '70s I worked for 13 years as a rigger. In Chicago riggers moved machinery and other large and heavy objects and also were responsible for much high-rise building construction. The largest piece of machinery I was involved with moving in one piece weighed around 275 tons and the largest pieces weighed near 100 tons.

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22 Aug 2014, 12:01 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
So....
3) Human beings over eight feet tall couldnt even function as human beings for anatomical/skeletal reasons.



Don't be so sure about that and admit there are possibilities that people overlook. People are not infallible. They miss stuff all the time. Why? Because they refuse to acknowledge what they don't wish to.


"what they dont WISH too."?????

WTF are you talking about?

There is a cabal of folks who have a vested interest in surpressing the story of Jack-and-the-Beanstalk ?

And what do you mean "dont be too sure about it"? You have evidence to the contrary? Evidence that human bone can support more wieght than we thought? What is this evidence?


You seem to be hostile to knowledge. Tell you what. As soon as you find a way to go back in time and see with your own eyes and report your honest findings to me, as far as I am concerned, it's on the table. No one knows for certain at this point and time. That is an honest statement instead of a belittling lie.



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22 Aug 2014, 1:51 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
So....
3) Human beings over eight feet tall couldnt even function as human beings for anatomical/skeletal reasons.



Don't be so sure about that and admit there are possibilities that people overlook. People are not infallible. They miss stuff all the time. Why? Because they refuse to acknowledge what they don't wish to.


"what they dont WISH too."?????

WTF are you talking about?

There is a cabal of folks who have a vested interest in surpressing the story of Jack-and-the-Beanstalk ?

And what do you mean "dont be too sure about it"? You have evidence to the contrary? Evidence that human bone can support more wieght than we thought? What is this evidence?


You seem to be hostile to knowledge. Tell you what. As soon as you find a way to go back in time and see with your own eyes and report your honest findings to me, as far as I am concerned, it's on the table. No one knows for certain at this point and time. That is an honest statement instead of a belittling lie.


Moi? Being hostile to knowledge? you're the one being hostile to the entire body of history, archeology, geology, biomechanics.



If it is indeed "on the table" then WHY is it on the table? Gives us all a reason to put it on the table.



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22 Aug 2014, 9:53 pm

Another fascinating case in point. Gigantopithecus who was even taller than what I described for Nemrod and other O.T. giants and he walked around upright just like human beings. I realize he is no human but it does make you wonder, eh? Look into the possibilities is all I ask.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantopithecus



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23 Aug 2014, 5:37 am

That very article says it?s far from clear they walked upright.

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Gigantopithecus's method of locomotion is uncertain, as no pelvic or leg bones have been found. The dominant view is that it walked on all fours like modern gorillas and chimpanzees; however, a minority opinion favors bipedal locomotion. This was most notably championed by the late Grover Krantz, but this assumption is based only on the very few jawbone remains found, all of which are U-shaped and widen towards the rear. This allows room for the windpipe to be within the jaw, allowing the skull to sit squarely upon a fully erect spine as in modern humans, rather than roughly in front of it, as in the other great apes.

The majority view is that the weight of such a large, heavy animal would put enormous stress on the creature's legs, ankles, and feet if it walked bipedally; while if it walked on all four limbs, like gorillas, its weight would be better distributed over each limb.


So primates can be 3 m tall by having an extremely robust build. It?d be hard to develop a human-like brain in that body, if you consider our remote ancestors used to have much stronger muscles (like those of a gorilla, or even a chimp) and had to lose them in order to save energy as their brain demanded more and more.

At any rate, a Gigantopithecus? height is still a far cry from what you?d need in order to carry stones like the ones you showed earlier in this thread without elaborate machinery and coöperation, and, if you have this, modern humans can do it, too.


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25 Aug 2014, 4:38 pm

Interesting doc on Rephaim


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jx3vVSSfEs[/youtube]



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25 Aug 2014, 4:52 pm

Documentary? LOL!



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25 Aug 2014, 7:56 pm

What happened to all the giants's bones?



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25 Aug 2014, 8:11 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What happened to all the giants's bones?


Thats exactly what we all have been asking [byou][/b] for ten pages now!

Lol!