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I don't actually live here, you know. Just drop in from time to time, have a couple beers or maybe a glass of the Zin, put a few bucks in the jukebox ?

I don't believe that rights conflict, although of course there are complex cases which have to be decided in a court of law.

"Inalienable" does not mean boundless, or absolute, or regardless of circumstances. Rights are principles sanctioning and delimiting human actions in a social context. The word 'context' is important; there would be no need to talk of rights if you were alone on a desert island.

Do you have the right to swing your arms around? Yes, of course ? but others have the right not to be assaulted or menaced. Do your arm-swinging in a time, place, and manner so as not to infringe on the rights of others.

Do you have the right to freedom of speech? Yes, but you may not libel, slander, incite to riot, incite a panic, make fraudulent claims for profit, reveal secrets you are contractually obligated to keep, and so on. Those would all violate the rights of others. See?

Asymptomatic disease carriers are surely an unusual case, but the same principles apply. Typhoid Mary's right to live her life as she chose was constrained by everybody else's right not to be wantonly exposed to deadly germs. Since she refused to change professions or even wash her hands, forcibly isolating her was justified. The Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact.



I would try to address the other issues you raised, but now you're getting silly.

Yes, we are surely each the embodiment of awesomeness. Now if you could just remember that and spread this great and profound knowledge to your liberal brethren on this forum we could save so much time.....

Business lobbies to get rid of regulation put in place to protect the little people from wanton abuse. Instead of blaming those lobbying, you blame government for having rules in the first place! Standard libertarian brilliance! You want to live how Americans lived in the 19th century? Go to any third world country and call me back.

sounds fun




Okay, let's try to make sure we're on the same page and we're synced up with accurate definitions. What do you mean by rights conflicting?



Ok I get what you're saying. Inalienable rights still do have boundaries to them. As an analogy, it's similar to a circle with an infinite number of sides and infinite number of points being bounded to a finite diameter, am I correct?



Let's look at specific examples if you do not mind. I can do my arm swinging in the bathroom in a closed stall or do my arm swinging around those who are not threatened by it. You mentioned the word menaced. I looked up the definition to the word. Interesting to say the least. Part of the idea of non-infringement is not coming across as threatening to others, is this correct? If so, I didn't know this.





Yeah, I get it. Makes sense since I understand the concept of what I will dub "bounded inalienability" meaning one's rights are inalienable as long as one does not infringe upon the rights of others either through assault, menacing, libel, etc, etc vs what I will dub "unbounded inalienability" which allows for any of these things which would lead to contradictions of these very rights.

This is how my brain works and processes information. Please bare with me on some of these concepts.



Makes sense! That's what I didn't understand before. I didn't grasp the idea on how our rights could be inalienable yet still be bounded at the same time. I do now. I wish more people were like you who sat down and explained these things to me and show me where I'm wrong without the typical responses from those like Raptor. Raptor's response was sublime compared to others I've received.



I was feeling frustrated so I just released some frustration by trying to be silly and use humor. I was using a fourth level coping mechanism.

Honestly and as an aside, I will say though that what's funny is that our differing personalities will clash and even on wrongplanet some people will not get along with each other. I've concluded that if we were the majority in this world, I believe the world would more or less be the same with all of the same conflicts and BS overall. Maybe some things would be better and some things would be worse but overall, I say the same. We aspies have conflict and major disagreements on here all of time. We're more similar to NTs than we think if you think about it.

Since we're talking about feeling menaced well I feel menaced in American society because one is expected to pretend to be something he is not. My core, identity, way of being, and soul is under assault by social expectations like being expected to be this extraverted salesperson to be employed, forced to make eye contact when he can't, and other things I will write about on my blog in more detail. Let me put it to you this way, I feel menaced by American society when you have monsters like Kelli Stapleton and the murderous is given celebrity status. I am in a society that doesn't value us and even African Americans have had to fight for their rights and are still fighting to this day.

Like her http://unstrangemind.wordpress.com/2013 ... -you-dont/ I believe the same thing. We can't be what we're not and I don't accept second class citizen status and I certainly refuse to be something I'm not. Anyone who tried to force me and others need to be fought to the very bone because they're a menace to us and they're violating our inalienable rights.