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A good president also needs to completely eliminate any & all interest-rates, abolish & disband The Federal-Reserve, and get government to print its own currency that has NO debts attached. Plenty of historic evidence already exists that just these two things alone (getting rid of both taxes & interest-rates) would drastically increase & improve the quality-of-life for everybody on an extreme scale compared to anything that can be pulled off now with the current systems.
I fear if you replace taxation with a voluntary contribution, then you'd end up with no one paying anything.
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I fear that if you keep the current systems of extortionist-taxation, that the people who force it upon everybody will simply steal everything from everyone else, and leave you with nothing to be able to pay for anything that you want that could contribute to society voluntarily, even if you wanted to make contributions for the benefit of society.
A good president also needs to completely eliminate any & all interest-rates, abolish & disband The Federal-Reserve, and get government to print its own currency that has NO debts attached. Plenty of historic evidence already exists that just these two things alone (getting rid of both taxes & interest-rates) would drastically increase & improve the quality-of-life for everybody on an extreme scale compared to anything that can be pulled off now with the current systems.
I fear if you replace taxation with a voluntary contribution, then you'd end up with no one paying anything.
I would now like you to create a thread with a poll for people to vote whether they'd willingly or voluntarily contribute to the existence of social-services or not (such as public-communication, public-transportation, public-hospitals, etc). Also feel free to include the disservices within that list, such as putting excessively high fines on users of the road (despite the fact that these fines have absolutely nothing to do with traffic-safety & everything to do with generating revenue for thieving politicians), then take note of the percentage of how people voted on the poll, for what services people would want & pay for or contribute towards (does not necessarily need to be a monetary contribution as there are most-certainly plenty of people whom I have met in life who were willing to simply volunteer their time to help out their community), etc.
I also watch animé as what is known as an otaku-culture, and there is a web-site that has asked for donations to help fund & contribute towards its existence, with credits given to several names who have already donated voluntarily (can be seen here... http://onepieceofbleach.com/). People will donate when they want it to be around. I also used to listen to a completely donation-supported radio-program, that was completely commercial-free (like, literally, you never heard any commercials), run by students at some school/college/university, and each year they would hold a donation-drive until their donation-goal was met for the year (this was the only form of advertising that they did which was simply asking for support through donations), and they've kept running year after year (and now that I double-check on it the radio-station looks like it's still running even to this very day).
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A good president also needs to completely eliminate any & all interest-rates, abolish & disband The Federal-Reserve, and get government to print its own currency that has NO debts attached. Plenty of historic evidence already exists that just these two things alone (getting rid of both taxes & interest-rates) would drastically increase & improve the quality-of-life for everybody on an extreme scale compared to anything that can be pulled off now with the current systems.
I fear if you replace taxation with a voluntary contribution, then you'd end up with no one paying anything.
I would now like you to create a thread with a poll for people to vote whether they'd willingly or voluntarily contribute to the existence of social-services or not (such as public-communication, public-transportation, public-hospitals, etc). Also feel free to include the disservices within that list, such as putting excessively high fines on users of the road (despite the fact that these fines have absolutely nothing to do with traffic-safety & everything to do with generating revenue for thieving politicians), then take note of the percentage of how people voted on the poll, for what services people would want & pay for or contribute towards (does not necessarily need to be a monetary contribution as there are most-certainly plenty of people whom I have met in life who were willing to simply volunteer their time to help out their community), etc.
I also watch animé as what is known as an otaku-culture, and there is a web-site that has asked for donations to help fund & contribute towards its existence, with credits given to several names who have already donated voluntarily (can be seen here... http://onepieceofbleach.com/). People will donate when they want it to be around. I also used to listen to a completely donation-supported radio-program, that was completely commercial-free (like, literally, you never heard any commercials), run by students at some school/college/university, and each year they would hold a donation-drive until their donation-goal was met for the year (this was the only form of advertising that they did which was simply asking for support through donations), and they've kept running year after year (and now that I double-check on it the radio-station looks like it's still running even to this very day).
But the call to financially support anime is directed at people with one special interest. Ask people to donate for road repair, and military, and social services, and law enforcement, and police protection, and job training, and public libraries, etc, and I think you'll have a much different result, as they'd perceive themselves to be under an avalanche of needs that they'd have to choose from. And as they'd only choose what they want to support, there wouldn't be enough money in the long run as not not enough people would be volunteering for those specific issues, while other issues wouldn't get funded at all. The fact is, even with taxation, we often do have a choice, as those issues are put on the ballot for a vote. But it's just common sense that in order for certain things to get funded that might lack social popularity (such as the social safety net, which conservatives constantly insist shouldn't be funded) shouldn't be left up to public choice, or we'd have people dying in the streets.
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The choices we are given under the current system basically falls under the lines of something like...:
« Well if you didn't like the fact that Bully C got elected in order to beat you up & steal your money then you should have voted for Bully D to be the one to beat you up & steal your money instead ! »
Let's also take quote from George Carlin: « You have no choice. You have owners. They own you ! »
Also, when society has a need, people will fulfill that need, provided that they're not interfered with by the unnecessary disservices of a police-enforced racketeering, the unnecessary disservices of military industrial-complex war-mongering, and there are already countless-examples of this already going on that does not require the existence of taxation, various examples explained by this dude...
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Rand knows austrian economics well, which is to say that he is well versed in nonsense.
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Rand knows austrian economics well, which is to say that he is well versed in nonsense.
That nonsense has made Spitznagel into a billionaire
Rand knows austrian economics well, which is to say that he is well versed in nonsense.
That nonsense has made Spitznagel into a billionaire
I doubt that the application of austrian-school econ was what made spitznagel his money but please explain how
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« Well if you didn't like the fact that Bully C got elected in order to beat you up & steal your money then you should have voted for Bully D to be the one to beat you up & steal your money instead ! »
Let's also take quote from George Carlin: « You have no choice. You have owners. They own you ! »
Also, when society has a need, people will fulfill that need, provided that they're not interfered with by the unnecessary disservices of a police-enforced racketeering, the unnecessary disservices of military industrial-complex war-mongering, and there are already countless-examples of this already going on that does not require the existence of taxation, various examples explained by this dude...
I'm sorry, but I think it just sounds too "pie-in-the-sky." We or our elected representatives decide what we get taxed, so ultimately, we're still in control. And if coercion is necessary to collect taxes, well that's for the public good. And just who is it who complains about taxation the most? Why, the wealthy, who can actually afford it.
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Spitznagel wrote a book on his investing
'The Dao of Capital'
http://www.amazon.com/The-Dao-Capital-I ... 111834703X
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Historic evidence; really? Yet the most prosperous period in US history had a 90% tax rate for top income and before doing income taxation the US government was selling lands stollen from the natives. So what are your historic evidence?
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You should first of all learn to discern the difference between actual facts versus corporate-facts.
Historic evidence; really? Yet the most prosperous period in US history had a 90% tax rate for top income and before doing income taxation the US government was selling lands stollen from the natives. So what are your historic evidence?
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I tell you that there is plenty of evidence but it is apparent to me that there are clandestine-efforts in effect to supress & even delete the existence of such evidence (for the information to this hyper-link used to be available from multiple sources).
The well-documented book that exposes many of the causes of corruption & wealth-problems & poverty is at least catalogued & part of the ISBN-archives. You should probably get your information from more reputable-sources, like actual economic-historians, rather than corporations that are well-known to create sales-pitches just to sucker you into believing in their corporate-mantras & thus corporate-religions (and America itself as well as its colleges & universities are indeed corporations as are all of its so-called cities & states due to being incorporated [and by definition that makes them corporations]).
P.S.: Prosperous for a corporation does not automatically equal prosperity for those who work under said corporate-systems. Sure, sure, you might get suckered into believing that you're working for a prestigious multi-billion dollar, international-company, but Wal-Mart is a multi-billion dollar company, and just because you work for a multi-billion dollar company does not necessarily mean that YOU are the one making BIG BUCKS (but you sure as hell are slave-labouring in order to make SOMEONE rich and that SOMEONE is NOT YOU).
You might also want to do some additional homework regarding The Federal Reserve (such as that of which is often presented in most documentaries on those private-bankers).
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You don't know me very well if you really believe I'm thinking like that. (I don't work by the way, I'm on disability.) No income tax is what the corporates lords WANT. It would allow them to replace established democratic governments by themselfs after all.(As governments wouldn't be able to compete in spending power.) This is the ultimate dream of a lot silicon valley libertarians. http://thebaffler.com/blog/mouthbreathing-machiavellis
When I say that the 50s were prosperous I don't talk about corporate prosperity, but about ordinary peoples prosperity; it was the time period that allowed the rise of the majority of population toward middle class.
Define governments as corporation if you want, but the fact is that their roles and standing powers are vastly differents. As for the economic historians they have the misfortune of being economists; economy is not a real science. As for historians they propably agree more with me anyway, they are generally notoriously left wing.
I feel reasonably confident in predicting that The Donald will be yesterday's candidate before Thanksgiving. (The Canadian one, that is). Riding high on name recognition over a year before the convention means nothing. It's six months until New Hampshire, and his campaign will be dead long before that.
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True, but in the meantime, he'll be throwing grenades at his fellow conservatives...
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