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19 Jul 2015, 2:45 am

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Not everyone's going to make supervisor. Plenty of Walmart employees stay working cash registers, stocking shelves, greeting, etc; so what about those people?

You take your skills to another employer, and presumably, you aren't still making entry level pay. However, for people with limited skills, limited capability, limited ambition, limited intelligence ...sure, the free market won't be kind. The free market thinkers say that the free market does the most good for the greatest number of people.

what if the greatest number of people don't make the grade? how then can it be providing "most good for the greatest number of people"?

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19 Jul 2015, 10:19 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

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Not everyone's going to make supervisor. Plenty of Walmart employees stay working cash registers, stocking shelves, greeting, etc; so what about those people?

You take your skills to another employer, and presumably, you aren't still making entry level pay. However, for people with limited skills, limited capability, limited ambition, limited intelligence ...sure, the free market won't be kind.

The free market thinkers say that the free market does the most good for the greatest number of people.

Have you considered how there are not nearly as many supervisor jobs as there are workers? Why should the average Joe have to be punished for that fact?
And no, the free market isn't kind. That's why most of us on this forum want nothing to do with it. Chances are, we Aspies are going to be the ones stuck in those entry level jobs.
The truth is, the free market works well... on paper, but so did communism. Both are pie-in-the-sky economic and social fantasies that make the elite richer, but leave the rest of the population devastated.

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19 Jul 2015, 11:30 am

Just because it isn't kind doesn't mean it isn't right.

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19 Jul 2015, 4:14 pm

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Just because it isn't kind doesn't mean it isn't right.

The fact that it is hurtful to people means that it's not right.

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19 Jul 2015, 6:12 pm

some people think it is morally right to crap on others they deem beneath them.

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19 Jul 2015, 8:01 pm

Just because something is « right » at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that it will not eventually become obsolete or even wrong in the future. I do not claim to know everything about blood-letting (yet).

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Just because it isn't kind doesn't mean it isn't right.

Blood-Letting was the « right » thing to do back in the day, before microscopes proved the existence of bacteria & viruses & virii & germs & microscopic-organisms, because it was the « state-of-the-art » medical-practice at that time , due to the belief that all illnesses & sickness & diseases were caused by a poisoning of the blood, and so the world's top doctors, praised for their efforts at attempting to save their patients' lives, unknowingly caused their deaths as a result of many patients falling into death as a result of too much loss of blood from all of the blood-letting (presidents have died this way).

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20 Jul 2015, 12:37 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Both are pie-in-the-sky economic and social fantasies that make the elite richer, but leave the rest of the population devastated.

Sure, it's the nature of humans.

The famed "Socialists Utopia" would be the greatest system if we could get it to work. However, we can't. As Milton Friedman once said, "where will you get the angels to run your utopia"? Implying that there are no angelic humans.

The free market plays into human greed by rewarding it.

Gordan Gecko: "Greed is good. Greed is right. Greed works".

We have seen how millions of poor Chinese people have been brought out of absolute poverty, and into the middle class, thanks to greedy business owners who want more profit , and move their companies there.

Do you have a better system in mind? I would suggest that whatever system you think of you should recognize human nature to screw you over if given the chance.

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20 Jul 2015, 12:47 am

well-regulated capitalism seems to work the best.

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20 Jul 2015, 12:57 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Both are pie-in-the-sky economic and social fantasies that make the elite richer, but leave the rest of the population devastated.

Yes, a system using the best aspects of capitalism and socialism. It would provide the incentive to lift people out of poverty, but would also provide services citizens need. It works perfectly in western Europe.
Sure, pure communism is unworkable, but so is unrestrained capitalism, which leaves the few fabulously wealthy, and the great many in poverty. What good is a free market to ordinary workers when their wages are stagnant, their benefits are cut, and their jobs are sent to the third world? American workers once believed in capitalism when they had unrivaled wages and benefits, but now the children and grandchildren of those workers are barely scraping by. And when they complain, they're callously accused of envy, or of waging class warfare. What happened to the free market's promise of prosperity for all?
By the way, those Chinese peasants you mentioned - - it's a fact that a great many of them are kept in factories their whole employment under armed guard (and no, not because people want to break in for the good life, like Romney the plastic Mormon had maintained), are worked till they drop, get slave wages, and have a high suicide count. If that's prosperity, I would rather have nothing to do with it.

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20 Jul 2015, 1:08 am

let some of these comfortable righties be reduced to abject homelessness for a month, and I'd bet the majority would change their tune about social programs.

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20 Jul 2015, 1:36 am

auntblabby wrote:

let some of these comfortable righties be reduced to abject homelessness for a month, and I'd bet the majority would change their tune about social programs.

I am absolutely certain you are correct!

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20 Jul 2015, 1:51 am

^^^
“There are none so tender as those who have been skinned themselves.”
[Rev. C.H. Spurgeon (1834-1892) British Baptist preacher]

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20 Jul 2015, 2:17 am

auntblabby wrote:

^^^
“There are none so tender as those who have been skinned themselves.”
[Rev. C.H. Spurgeon (1834-1892) British Baptist preacher]

Wise words, indeed.

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20 Jul 2015, 3:07 pm

not only are they out of touch with reality, but they float on a stinking cloud of hypocrisy, presently regarding the GOP brouhaha over The Rump and his tweaking of McCain, actually forgetting all about the purple heart bandaid crap they did in 2004, much less the mugging they administered to Max Cleland earlier.

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20 Jul 2015, 5:25 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Both are pie-in-the-sky economic and social fantasies that make the elite richer, but leave the rest of the population devastated.

You do know that Gordan Gecko is meant to be a bad guy, right?

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20 Jul 2015, 7:28 pm

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Holy geez, I almost forgot about Cleland! They also "swiftboated" Kerry, who was a genuine war hero. They only seem to take offense when it's one of their own whose patriotism and heroism is taken into question.

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