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10 Dec 2015, 10:34 am

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Trump is a Leftist and a Socialist. But he is intelligent.....

I wouldn't call him any of those things. He's an opportunist. Now he's banking on hatred, bigotry, and fear, just like a good fascist.



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10 Dec 2015, 10:37 am

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I'd be more than happy to explain, zen, thank you very much for asking.... killing of non combatants, whether they are Muslim or non-Muslim, christian, jewish, pagan, etc. is prohibited... killing of women, children, the elderly, those who are in their homes, those who are in their churches, those who lay down their weapons, prisoners of war, and religious monks and hermits is forbidden...... it says in the Qur'an that if the other side wants to make peace, you MUST make peace... and the French of hundreds of years ago noted the humane treatment of prisoners of war under the Muslims... under sharia, prisoners of war are to have the same or similar provisions as your comrades... read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_m ... isprudence

That's is your interpretation from the perspective of your sect of Islam. Militants have a different interpretation.



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10 Dec 2015, 11:46 am

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I think Trump's only excuse for his kind of bigotry is due to the dead Orangutan on his head that has been leaking toxins through his skin pours into his brain. I don't know if his supporters can make the same excuse.

He's a left wing dream boat.

Supports gay marriage.
Tariffs on imports to protect worker pay.
Higher taxes on rich, lower taxes on poor and middle class.
Curtail visa immigration programs so businesses can't bring in "cheap labor".
End NAFTA.
Wants government run national health care (labeled "Obamacare on Steroids" by the right)
Protect the border (keep the cheap illegal labor out to protect worker pay).

So we have this interesting event ...

Labor Unions giving serious thought to endorsing Trump
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/labor ... le/2573359


Even if unions are toying with the idea of endorsing Trump, so far it's the far right (including white supremacists) who are currently in his corner. So far, no one on the left is throwing their support his way, due to his use of racism and paranoia. Incidentally, while Trump had originally backed same sex marriage, he has since changed his tune in order to court the right.


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10 Dec 2015, 1:17 pm

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Trump is a Leftist and a Socialist. But he is intelligent.

Ha ha good one :lol:

What is with the massive red herring after that? You make it sound like Trump proposed nationalised health care. In reality he is proposing replacing Obamacare, well with..wait for it Obamacare. What he is proposing is just another version of Obama care. Spin that.

The guy is a moron, he speaks on issues he has no clue about like vaccines and autism, as if he is medically trained.



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10 Dec 2015, 1:30 pm

Trump needs to lead by example. He should stop doing business with all Muslims and Hispanics. No more penthouses for the super rich. No more jobs for hard working immigrants.

Trump should put up or shut up.


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10 Dec 2015, 2:56 pm

All this has turned into is another heckling thread from the Left. So far, I haven't heard any good ideas on how to stop the terrorism coming here. Anyone have any good ideas? (Since the current president is useless.)


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10 Dec 2015, 3:05 pm

Hello?! Anyone have any better ideas? All the current president can come up with is taking away our guns more. He's already decreased our country's armed forces by sending them everywhere else in the world but here in America! Anyone could take us over - we are like sitting ducks! So someone on the Left better come up with some brilliant ideas instead of just calling names!


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10 Dec 2015, 3:18 pm

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Like Sanders he does not want to allow businesses to bring in "cheap labor" through immigration. This is huge issue for voters. "Open borders" Jeb Bush is struggling.


Donald Trump's 'Immigration Reform'
Bernie Sander's 'Immigration Policy'

Look at those carefully. They are polar opposite. They do not agree on how to handle immigration. Trump wants to build a wall and get ride of illegal immigrants. Sanders wants to integrate illegal immigrants who have been here for 5+ years and reform and streamline the immigration process for the others.

Jeb Bush doesn't want open borders. "More border security and military to the border: Bush would provide more border security through increasing real and virtual fencing, drones, and border agents."

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Trump does support national healthcare. He said he wants to have national healthcare , not the hodge-podge "Obamacare". Right wing sites have attacked him for this.


He went back on that. "What I'd like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state. I have a big company with thousands and thousands of employees. And if I'm negotiating in New York or in New Jersey or in California, I have like one bidder. Nobody can bid."

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Trump does support gay marriage. He calls it "the law of the land".


“I think I’m evolving, and I think I’m a very fair person, but I have been for traditional marriage...I am for traditional marriage, I am for a marriage between a man and a woman.”

"Donald, go on the record," says Stern. "You're for gay marriage."

"Well, I'm not," responds Trump, surprising both Stern and his co-host Robin Quivers. He continues, "It's never been an argument that's been discussed with me very much. People know that it's not my thing one way or the other."

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He said he wants to get rid of some drug laws.


Well, that's general and nonspecific.

Medical marijuana ok, legalizing not.

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He's a left wing dream boat.


Is he? Or... do you desperately want him to be? You're holding onto the Trump of the 90's despite him going back on everything he has said since then.

It's obvious you have no idea what the left-wing values and thinks. When you responded to my post, you nitpicked issues, responded to a couple of them (and were wrong), and went "See! Donald Trump is Eugene Debs reincarnate!" Neverminding the major issues Trump is glaring wrong about. He's still anti-Net neutrality, he's still pro-Patriot Act, doesn't believe in climate change, pro-life, etc, etc, etc.



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10 Dec 2015, 3:39 pm

What does any of that have to do with terrorism and immigration - the reason why "Trump Calls For Ban On Muslim Immigrants"? You're addressing immigration as a whole with illegal immigration. The terrorism has to be addressed first. Close the borders on all immigrants or just Muslims? (which I don't believe can be done anyway, but all immigrants can be stopped by the President).


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10 Dec 2015, 4:54 pm

Pileo wrote:
Like Sanders he does not want to allow businesses to bring in "cheap labor" through immigration. This is huge issue for voters. "Open borders" Jeb Bush is struggling.

Donald Trump's 'Immigration Reform'
Bernie Sander's 'Immigration Policy'

Look at those carefully. They are polar opposite. They do not agree on how to handle immigration. Trump wants to build a wall and get ride of illegal immigrants. Sanders wants to integrate illegal immigrants who have been here for 5+ years and reform and streamline the immigration process for the others.

Both Trump and Sanders want a secure border.

The reason they want to secure the border is to protect worker pay.

That is right from the Socialist platform, hence both left-wing economics.

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Trump does support national healthcare. He said he wants to have national healthcare , not the hodge-podge "Obamacare". Right wing sites have attacked him for this.

He went back on that. "What I'd like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state. I have a big company with thousands and thousands of employees. And if I'm negotiating in New York or in New Jersey or in California, I have like one bidder. Nobody can bid."

Sept. 28, 2015
Trump Pushes Single Payer Healthcare, Tax Increase on Wealthy
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... n-wealthy/

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“I think I’m evolving, and I think I’m a very fair person, but I have been for traditional marriage...I am for traditional marriage, I am for a marriage between a man and a woman.”

"Donald, go on the record," says Stern. "You're for gay marriage."

"Well, I'm not," responds Trump, surprising both Stern and his co-host Robin Quivers. He continues, "It's never been an argument that's been discussed with me very much. People know that it's not my thing one way or the other."

Sept 7, 2015
Donald Trump on Kentucky clerk: Same-sex marriage the 'law of the land'
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/ ... kim-davis/

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Is he? Or... do you desperately want him to be? You're holding onto the Trump of the 90's despite him going back on everything he has said since then.

It's obvious you have no idea what the left-wing values and thinks. When you responded to my post, you nitpicked issues, responded to a couple of them (and were wrong), and went "See! Donald Trump is Eugene Debs reincarnate!" Neverminding the major issues Trump is glaring wrong about. He's still anti-Net neutrality, he's still pro-Patriot Act, doesn't believe in climate change, pro-life, etc, etc, etc.

Donald Trump on Abortion: “I’m Pro-Life and I Have Been Pro-Life”
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/01/26/dona ... -pro-life/

There is a reason why the big labor unions are thinking of endorsing him over Clinton.

Clinton won't end NAFTA
Clinton won't secure the border
Clinton won't do tariffs on imports
Clinton won't curtail "cheap labor" immigration programs.
Clinton won't shift taxes from the poor & middle class to the rich.

These are Socialist ideas.

Trump promises to try to do all that.



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10 Dec 2015, 7:17 pm

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All this has turned into is another heckling thread from the Left. So far, I haven't heard any good ideas on how to stop the terrorism coming here. Anyone have any good ideas? (Since the current president is useless.)


But this thread isn't about stopping terrorism, but about how Trump is a narcissistic asshat scapegoating a whole population of people to satisfy his political ambitions.


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10 Dec 2015, 7:29 pm

I don't equate Trump with Hitler.....but the guy has a penchant for saying really stupid things.

Imagine if he were at a summit meeting? Imagine the offense he could cause?

Talk about international incidents!



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10 Dec 2015, 9:32 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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All this has turned into is another heckling thread from the Left. So far, I haven't heard any good ideas on how to stop the terrorism coming here. Anyone have any good ideas? (Since the current president is useless.)


But this thread isn't about stopping terrorism, but about how Trump is a narcissistic asshat scapegoating a whole population of people to satisfy his political ambitions.


Ok, so who do you think should run for the Republican side?


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11 Dec 2015, 12:25 am

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All this has turned into is another heckling thread from the Left. So far, I haven't heard any good ideas on how to stop the terrorism coming here. Anyone have any good ideas? (Since the current president is useless.)


But this thread isn't about stopping terrorism, but about how Trump is a narcissistic asshat scapegoating a whole population of people to satisfy his political ambitions.


Ok, so who do you think should run for the Republican side?


Considering the possibility of a Republican win, I'd like to see the most competent, sanest candidate, which is probably John Kasich.


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