cyberdad wrote:
Skeptics are often hecklers but they serve a purpose
I remember watching a fair amount of James Randi's presentations several years ago and actually admiring some of it - particular there was some hot new idea in the UK that they'd use graphology for screening job applications. I'd say the same for a lot of the popular psychic mediums, miracle workers, and people who could do their own epiricism and ended up mistaking some combination of fantasy and social fluidity in other people for results. To the degree that psychic mediums can hit above random chance they have to know their terrain well enough not to make outsized claims and IMHO it's an important corrective if they get too far out over their skis because it distorts public perception of what these phenomena are and particularly its dangerous I think when people get the impression that it's a continuation of the Christian notion that the 'outside' world is omniscient - outside of texts of the Manichean variety that make the universe a simple battle of good vs. evil there's little or no evidence that this is the case.
At least from the standpoint of someone whose had enough experiences of the sort that a person's not supposed to be able to have and coming from the position that these things are, at base line, 'real' it means that it's really important to weed the credulity out of the conversation. Vapid new agers and 500% convinced materialists are sort of the low-grade ends of the discussion. What I've always loved when I've found it here were the handful of materialists who were at least curious enough to explore the boundary space in detail and also assume good faith on my part that I was doing my best to refine my views on things and change my mind when one set of facts or another previously unknown to me came to light. A good example of that on Youtube is you had a couple young professors, Matt Segall and Corey Anton having discussions around these topics, Matt tends in the panpsychist direction and Corey in the physicalist but seeing depth direction. Those are the kinds of discussions that are worth tuning in on because everyone's actually learning something and the information going back and forth is high quality.
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