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21 Feb 2016, 12:19 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Shotguns are much safer for home defense than rifles, from what I've read. The pellets aren't as likely to go through walls and hit unintended targets.


Depends on the rifle. At least here in the US, you're legally allowed to own a shorter barreled rifle than you are a shotgun, and so with the AR-15 pattern rifles give you better maneuverability, negligible recoil, better accuracy, more follow up shots, and with proper ammo selection, just as good shot frangibility as a shotgun. Shotguns are much cheaper generally speaking though, so may be the better home defense gun if you're not an avid recreational shooter.


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21 Feb 2016, 7:39 pm

Dox47 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Shotguns are much safer for home defense than rifles, from what I've read. The pellets aren't as likely to go through walls and hit unintended targets.


Depends on the rifle. At least here in the US, you're legally allowed to own a shorter barreled rifle than you are a shotgun, and so with the AR-15 pattern rifles give you better maneuverability, negligible recoil, better accuracy, more follow up shots, and with proper ammo selection, just as good shot frangibility as a shotgun. Shotguns are much cheaper generally speaking though, so may be the better home defense gun if you're not an avid recreational shooter.



I'll take the HK91 over the AR-15, but that's just my personal taste(since Germans make better small arms).



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21 Feb 2016, 7:46 pm

I have a new idea that might be unpopular. What if the government just gave every adult their own handgun? We always talk about good guys with guns and bad guys with guns. But what if everybody had a gun? Criminals would have to be pretty careful considering they already know that the victim has a gun.



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21 Feb 2016, 9:55 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Shotguns are much safer for home defense than rifles, from what I've read. The pellets aren't as likely to go through walls and hit unintended targets.

Buckshot is basically 9 9mm sized balls bein shot out of the barrel. And inside a house they won't even spread out much of any so it's one big mass. Even if it did spread out it'll still go through walls just fine. 5.56 in the right bullet will tumble and fragment in walls and be far less deadly on the other side.

Then you go into how a bunch of people aren't strong enough to handle a shotgun recoil. Most need pumped to fire another round and if you short stroke it in stress it'll jam. I'd rather have a simi auto rifle or my handgun bother are kept near by where I sleep.



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26 Feb 2016, 5:56 pm

Third-party candidates should be taken more seriously.


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27 Feb 2016, 3:56 pm

sly279 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Shotguns are much safer for home defense than rifles, from what I've read. The pellets aren't as likely to go through walls and hit unintended targets.

Buckshot is basically 9 9mm sized balls bein shot out of the barrel. And inside a house they won't even spread out much of any so it's one big mass. Even if it did spread out it'll still go through walls just fine. 5.56 in the right bullet will tumble and fragment in walls and be far less deadly on the other side.

Then you go into how a bunch of people aren't strong enough to handle a shotgun recoil. Most need pumped to fire another round and if you short stroke it in stress it'll jam. I'd rather have a simi auto rifle or my handgun bother are kept near by where I sleep.

I'm pretty sure most people use birdshot for their home defense rounds. Buckshot would be way too destructive.


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27 Feb 2016, 4:07 pm

The word "ableism" should be exorcised from the English language...



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27 Feb 2016, 6:29 pm

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The word "ableism" should be exorcised from the English language...



And replaced with WHAT?

Find a better word for discrimination against the disabled. How do you explain forced sterilization of people with mental disabilities, including autism?



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27 Feb 2016, 9:25 pm

If people who work in public education want better pay, they better do better at their jobs at educating.



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27 Feb 2016, 9:58 pm

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The word "ableism" should be exorcised from the English language...


OMG yes! This word was the final straw with me and an old friend I had to kick off my Facebook because I felt like he'd gotten religion with his constant social justice posts.


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28 Feb 2016, 3:57 am

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If people who work in public education want better pay, they better do better at their jobs at educating.


If they don't, it's probably because they have no incentive to.

Since they're already being paid with taxpayer money against the latter's will, the public is unlikely to want to reward them by paying even more taxes. If they did better jobs, that'd simply raise the standard everyone would take for granted without considering it worthy of a reward. Therefore, they're better off doing as half-assed a job as they can get away with.

The obvious solution is to do away with public education, so everyone gets what they pay for and educators get paid for what they do, rather than for how much they can get the government to steal for them.


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28 Feb 2016, 4:10 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Shotguns are much safer for home defense than rifles, from what I've read. The pellets aren't as likely to go through walls and hit unintended targets.

Buckshot is basically 9 9mm sized balls bein shot out of the barrel. And inside a house they won't even spread out much of any so it's one big mass. Even if it did spread out it'll still go through walls just fine. 5.56 in the right bullet will tumble and fragment in walls and be far less deadly on the other side.

Then you go into how a bunch of people aren't strong enough to handle a shotgun recoil. Most need pumped to fire another round and if you short stroke it in stress it'll jam. I'd rather have a simi auto rifle or my handgun bother are kept near by where I sleep.

I'm pretty sure most people use birdshot for their home defense rounds. Buckshot would be way too destructive.


Birdshot is terrible for defense. Most experts say this. Really is most rounds good for stopping a threat will go through walls and most rounds that won't go through walls won't stop a threat. The goal is not to miss so the round stops in the bad guy. Or be tall and aim at a downward angle.

Need to do like 15-20" of pentration in ballistics gel which would be similar to shooting a person in the front. Most likely with them aiming at you so has to go through their arm, muscle,most,ribs then hit vital organs and cause bleeding. The technical of it is quite scary. I hope I never get shot or have to shoot someone.



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28 Feb 2016, 4:16 am

For defensive purposes I'd be satisfied with some kind of flamethrower or minigun. Perhaps a minigun that also manages to set things on fire.



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28 Feb 2016, 11:41 am

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For defensive purposes I'd be satisfied with some kind of flamethrower or minigun. Perhaps a minigun that also manages to set things on fire.


Have you got the $200,000 and the Class III firearms license? Then technically you can own a minigun. Unfortunately though, the manufacturer only sells to the US military.

As for flamethrowers, you can buy one here. 8)

I seriously might buy one.



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28 Feb 2016, 12:56 pm

sly279 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
sly279 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Shotguns are much safer for home defense than rifles, from what I've read. The pellets aren't as likely to go through walls and hit unintended targets.

Buckshot is basically 9 9mm sized balls bein shot out of the barrel. And inside a house they won't even spread out much of any so it's one big mass. Even if it did spread out it'll still go through walls just fine. 5.56 in the right bullet will tumble and fragment in walls and be far less deadly on the other side.

Then you go into how a bunch of people aren't strong enough to handle a shotgun recoil. Most need pumped to fire another round and if you short stroke it in stress it'll jam. I'd rather have a simi auto rifle or my handgun bother are kept near by where I sleep.

I'm pretty sure most people use birdshot for their home defense rounds. Buckshot would be way too destructive.


Birdshot is terrible for defense. Most experts say this. Really is most rounds good for stopping a threat will go through walls and most rounds that won't go through walls won't stop a threat. The goal is not to miss so the round stops in the bad guy. Or be tall and aim at a downward angle.

Need to do like 15-20" of pentration in ballistics gel which would be similar to shooting a person in the front. Most likely with them aiming at you so has to go through their arm, muscle,most,ribs then hit vital organs and cause bleeding. The technical of it is quite scary. I hope I never get shot or have to shoot someone.

And here I thought that the sheer amount of force expelled by a 12 gauge round would be enough to take a person down, regardless of what type of shot it was loaded with. Goes to show how little I know about guns. I'm still pretty sure that shooting someone point blank with birdshot would do a number on them though, and in a typical home scenario, how far away ARE you going to be from an intruder?

Then again, wouldn't the mere sound of a shotgun firing be enough to scare most people off, or are home intruders in your area PCP-loaded freaks who have no regard for their own safety? :P

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The word "ableism" should be exorcised from the English language...

How are you supposed to describe discrimination against people with disabilities then?


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28 Feb 2016, 1:36 pm

KagamineLen wrote:
If people who work in public education want better pay, they better do better at their jobs at educating.


I don't see how that would work. A teacher will teach to the best of their ability unless/until they are disincentivised. That is, they realise how s**t the system is, how so much of their effort is undone by things both outside and within the system, that so much of it is pissing in the wind (pissing against the wind, at that). Even then, it's unlikely they think, 'right, I'm only going to teach to 80% of my ability' - I mean, how on earth would you? - but that they just get ground down by the Sisyphean task.

The whole thing needs reform, but you can't reform an education system without reforming the social system it sits within, that it both feeds off of and into.

I think, if you're going to have an education system, then it should be well-funded and given the necessary resources. I think the idea of an incentivised pay system misunderstands the issue.


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