WAS HITLER AUTISTIC?

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09 Jan 2009, 7:26 pm

I happen to be a decent public speaker. It's one-on-one conversations I find nerve-wrecking.

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09 Jan 2009, 7:30 pm

It's impossible to tell.

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09 Jan 2009, 7:35 pm

aspies are not good at making people like them, so no.

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09 Jan 2009, 9:29 pm

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If you want to look for an autistic villain, the closest real person I can think of is Ted Kaczynski (the unabomber). That guy might have been on the autism spectrum IMO.

I completely agree. He lived in a tiny cabin in the woods, a textbook hermit. He was so unused to technology he had to label the bits he put together to make a bomb. He used a typewriter for his manifesto. He LOOKED like a crazy hermit when they arrested him. Strangest of all, he reportedly said that he doesn't mind his prison cell, in the SuperMax prison.

Ted Kaczynski was actually a mathematical prodigy. He was allowed to skip grades in school so he could go on to the university and take more advanced math. In the process of obtaining his PhD he solved a mathematical problem that none of the professors in the department were able to solve. He became a mathematics professor at Berkley for 2 years but he didn’t fit in very well with the rest of the department. He got so disenchanted with science/technology that he decided to isolate himself from society.

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09 Jan 2009, 9:38 pm

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Hitler was a charismatic speaker, loved entertaining his audience, and put his country and ideology first, whereas most autistics, like myself, put their routines first. If you look at Thomas Jefferson, who I think is one of the very few examples of a possibly autistic president/leader of a country, he was a terrible public speaker, had little concern for his appearance (unlike the always neat and tidy looking Hitler) and became obsessed with his routines and designing Monticello, pretty much the opposite of Hitler.

Not that I have any idea about Hitler being autistic, but being a public speaker and putting ones routines later does not mean that someone is not one the spectrum. I certainly pass off as an NT when I cba, not that I at all enjoy it, but I manage it.

Certainly autistic people can be good public speakers. It's just that autistic people would probably be more interested in presenting arguments with sound facts and logic. Hitler was not at all about logic or reason. He enjoyed riling his audience into a spastic frenzy with his inflammatory and intensely emotionally charged speeches. I can't imagine myself enjoying that kind of thing even if I was capable of it. It seems to go against my very nature.

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09 Jan 2009, 10:08 pm

No, Hitler probably had hemorrhoids.

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09 Jan 2009, 10:12 pm

marshall wrote:

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The thing I enjoyed most at school (and still now) is defiance - making an emotionally charged speech really is comically easy when you learn how. Plus defying the social order which goes hand in hand with such speeches often generates kicks for aspies. Especially those who can think beyond this society.

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10 Jan 2009, 1:05 am

People bucking authority and getting away with it-- that really pisses me off. Why? Because if I ever bucked authority, I'd get nailed for it. I know I would.

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10 Jan 2009, 5:11 am

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People bucking authority and getting away with it-- that really pisses me off. Why? Because if I ever bucked authority, I'd get nailed for it. I know I would.

I was a cute child. Still am really, which is how I get away with stuff. (being a sly one helps too)

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10 Jan 2009, 5:40 am

Hitler was not autistic.

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10 Jan 2009, 5:47 am

Woodpeace wrote:

Hitler was not autistic.

Prove it.

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10 Jan 2009, 5:54 am

Hitler is dead and has been for many years, so it makes no goddamn difference whether or not he was autistic. What really matters is that he's dead.

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10 Jan 2009, 5:55 am

Kangoogle wrote:

Woodpeace wrote:

Hitler was not autistic.

Prove it.

How do you expect him to do that?

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10 Jan 2009, 5:57 am

Well, there's absolutely no evidence for it. I think the burden of proof is on whoever says he was.

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10 Jan 2009, 6:10 am

Callista wrote:

Well, there's absolutely no evidence for it. I think the burden of proof is on whoever says he was.

From Wiki:

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Michael Fitzgerald, an expert in autism spectrum disorders, concludes that Hitler suffered from, and met all the criteria of Asperger syndrome as documented by Hans Asperger.[8] As evidence of Asperger's Fitzgerald cites Hitler's poor sleep patterns, food fads, dislike of physical contact, inability to forge genuine friendships, and an emptiness in his human relations. His conversations in the Men’s Home in Vienna were really harangues and invited no reciprocity, for which he lacked this capacity. In Munich he was distant, self-contained, withdrawn and without friends. His comrades noted that he had no humanitarian feelings. He was obsessive and rarely made good or interesting company, except in the eyes of those who shared his obsessions or those in awe of, or dependent on him. He was single minded and inflexible. He spent a great deal of time with Albert Speer, examining architectural plans, and this remained a major focus of his life throughout. His other major interest was in the music of Wagner. His greatest interest, clearly, was in control over people and power over people.[9]

It is surprisingly well sourced as an article.

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10 Jan 2009, 6:24 am

All of that could be explained by plain old psychopathy though. The only real autistic characteristic I see there is the strong interests.

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