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25 Jan 2017, 3:45 am

^^ it is poetic justice, IMO, that such arrogant high-horsing should only backfire. i wish i could have seen it for myself. sounds delicious.

what do kittens have to do with sheep?


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25 Jan 2017, 3:48 am

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^^ it is poetic justice, IMO, that such arrogant high-horsing should only backfire. i wish i could have seen it for myself. sounds delicious.

what do kittens have to do with sheep?


Absolutely nothing. That is rather the point. :mrgreen:

Wish me luck, I'm off to a job interview. :ninja:


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25 Jan 2017, 4:23 am

:mrgreen: got it.

and good luck with the interview!


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25 Jan 2017, 4:57 am

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In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.

You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously. :wink:


It's not MY ridiculous strawman, I'm trying to explain how people use the term to you. I myself am very liberal, but of course there plenty of liberals, particularly teenage ones, who simply don't know what they are talking about, and that's where most the SJW stereotypes come from.
Yeah I am 16 and some of this is true in school I once tried to suggest that most gay conversion therapy wasn't torture and people turned against me quickly. They talked about how I simply didn't get it and that 50% of the people committed suicide.


Being against gay conversation therapy doesn't make someone an SJW, of course they turned on you. In the past before it was made illegal, most of it WAS torture.
Its about Gay conversion therapy in its present state not how it was in the past. And they were using distorted facts to prove a point.



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25 Jan 2017, 7:31 pm

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In my experience the same anti-authoritarian people who used to be anti right wing are now ant SJW.

Naturally anti-authoritarian people will be against whatever authority is dominating the culture at the time. That used to be the right wing but now we have have predominantly left wing culture.

And yes, SJWs really do act as a self-declared authority. They have no legitimate claim to authority over other people. They give orders by the authority vested in them by themselves. Yes, they really do give orders.

Though they make up a small percentage of the population they dominate the culture (in the same way they accuse their enemies of dominating the culture). They are vocal minority.

They appear to have more numbers than they do because they pressure other people into agreeing with them. Who else could get you into trouble at work for disagreeing?

They use bait and switch tactics They get you to agree to something reasonable then they say it means you also agree with some other crazy claims.

Though they make up a small percentage of the population, they dominate the media. On television they seem to be 100% of the population (except for the villain). Television makes it seem normal to be an SJW. In this way they desensitise people to SJW.


Except they're not. They might be loud, but they have very little power. The US is more conservative than most the Western world, and Australia is probably even more conservative. Unless you conflate neo-conservatives with SJWs, which actually makes sense when you think about it.


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25 Jan 2017, 7:45 pm

The exert their power culturally and thru social media, also they're a huge problem on college campuses too where they wield a ton of influence. They're not insignificant but hopefully they remain relatively powerless because they are authoritarian to the extreme.



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25 Jan 2017, 8:21 pm

What bothers me most about the SJWs is that so many people equate SJW with the social justice activism of the left. I am way over to the left Liberal (and proud to be), and I don't approve at all of what I see on college campuses. Shutting down discussion and various view points helps no one. Actually it drives people away. I've been less involved in political activities because I don't like dealing with SJWs. They get mad even at the people on their side over what word is fashionable at the moment. It's all about semantics and has nothing to do with actual issues. It's not enough to support trans rights, you have to make sure you don't say "transgendered" instead of "transgender" (if that's still acceptable this week). Because anybody who doesn't know that a word used in the trans community 3 years ago is no longer the "right" word must be a bigot. Even if that person is trans. And most of the SJWs are too young, they need to be learning from people older than they are, people who have lived through a chuck of history. My friends are 20 year+ older than me and had to worry about the draft, they remember MLK being murdered, they listened to Lenny Bruce records. The SJWs are not what being a liberal is really about, please don't go to the extreme political right because of some ignorant and misguided kids trying to be cool.

^ Sorry, that is a bit of a rant. I'm suffering political despair right now. :( ^



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25 Jan 2017, 11:22 pm

@tick, I'm Republican(ish) but from what I see, I agree. I can have reasonable discussions with people from any political affiliation, but not with SJWs. I think they've gone beyond politics into something else. It's no longer a matter of political discourse to them, it's a matter of complete good vs complete evil, as opposed to actual politics which usually contains more gray areas.

To be fair, I've seen people on the opposite end of the political spectrum react the same way. Both groups are a vocal minority, but a very loud and obnoxious one. I'm not sure who started it but both sides need to stop. It's like two stubborn kindergarteners screaming at each other.



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26 Jan 2017, 2:44 am

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@tick, I'm Republican(ish) but from what I see, I agree. I can have reasonable discussions with people from any political affiliation, but not with SJWs. I think they've gone beyond politics into something else. It's no longer a matter of political discourse to them, it's a matter of complete good vs complete evil, as opposed to actual politics which usually contains more gray areas.

To be fair, I've seen people on the opposite end of the political spectrum react the same way. Both groups are a vocal minority, but a very loud and obnoxious one. I'm not sure who started it but both sides need to stop. It's like two stubborn kindergarteners screaming at each other.


I don't know if this is merely a reflection of social media replacing reality in importance, or simply a typical byproduct of political polarisation.


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26 Jan 2017, 8:18 am

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Unless you conflate neo-conservatives with SJWs, which actually makes sense when you think about it.
Wait, what? Why would anyone conflate neocons with SJWs? :?
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The exert their power culturally and thru social media, also they're a huge problem on college campuses too where they wield a ton of influence.
If they can get people who disagree with them expelled from colleges then people who disagree with them will become janitors and other blue collar jobs meaning the people who graduate will have a higher proportion of SJWs than the general population and that means the people in the near-future white collar workplace will be disproportionately SJW (more people to get you fired for using the wrong term).

If a lot of non-SJWs get expelled from college and end up working as janitors and a lot of SJWs graduate then many of the people in news media will be SJWs and they'll be able to fill the news with their bias and opinions. It means many people in politics will be SJWs. It means many teachers will be SJWs.

I'm not saying only SJWs will graduate but it could be a higher proportion. If this leads to a higher proportion of journalists, politicians and teachers being SJWs then it will become more socially acceptable to expel people who disagree with SJWs, leading to a positive feedback loop.

It won't last forever. Each generation rebels against their parents ideals so 20 or 30 years from now, middle aged SJWs will have their teenaged kids rebelling against what they see as an old fashioned and uncool ideal.
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The SJWs are not what being a liberal is really about, please don't go to the extreme political right because of some ignorant and misguided kids trying to be cool.
Yes, I think this is a serious concern. If SJWs yell at people for no good reason, it actually could drive them to the extreme political right.

Especially if people feel like SJWs have taken their voice away (by saying stuff like "your opinion doesn't count because you have white privilege", they could think joining the right is the only way to regain their voice.

I think this is already happening and I think it's giving the right wing more power. I find this quite alarming.


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26 Jan 2017, 8:26 am

Yep....SJW's can be irritating.

But I wish people would THINK more, instead of merely reacting and rebelling.



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26 Jan 2017, 8:35 am

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rats_and_cats wrote:
@tick, I'm Republican(ish) but from what I see, I agree. I can have reasonable discussions with people from any political affiliation, but not with SJWs. I think they've gone beyond politics into something else. It's no longer a matter of political discourse to them, it's a matter of complete good vs complete evil, as opposed to actual politics which usually contains more gray areas.

To be fair, I've seen people on the opposite end of the political spectrum react the same way. Both groups are a vocal minority, but a very loud and obnoxious one. I'm not sure who started it but both sides need to stop. It's like two stubborn kindergarteners screaming at each other.


I don't know if this is merely a reflection of social media replacing reality in importance, or simply a typical byproduct of political polarisation.


I thought this was an interesting comment, the idea that social media is taking the place of real world socialization is definitely true and the effects that has had and will have on our culture are astounding. We spend so much time online and we dismiss it as not real but it is real and it is not surprise 'real life' is now seeing an extension of how people treat each other online.



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26 Jan 2017, 8:48 am

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Yep....SJW's can be irritating.

But I wish people would THINK more, instead of merely reacting and rebelling.
The SJWs and the neocons don't think, they just spout simpleminded slogans like "four legs good, two legs bad".

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26 Jan 2017, 9:01 am

Animal Farm!

I wish people would think, instead of getting all gung-ho and reactionary because of the absurdity of a few SJW's.



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26 Jan 2017, 9:08 am

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I swing slightly more right on the political spectrum, my twin brother does as well. I'm still young, the age when everyone's opinions are developing. In class, my brother said he wanted Trump to win. He got into a "fight" with some girl, there was no screaming or yelling. It ended with her saying, "You're racist and homophobic!" In my school, anyone who swings right of the centre is criticised. Luckily, I never feel compelled to share my political views. As I am one person, I barely matter, I can't even vote yet.


You are modest and humble but also remember you are capable of more than you realize.

Use your youth to self-educate yourself so that by the time you CAN vote, you know where you stand politically.

School will not teach you much about politicis and like many people here said will try to subtly push you to be left-wing even if you don't want to be.

I personally don't hate Trump.

He was a better choice than Hillary and the media really slandered him, he did be silly in lots of speeches, speaks a lot of nonsense, etc. but the whole racism/homophobia and all that was over-exaggerated.

At the very least I hope he is a bad president but not an evil president. Bad as in makes lots of mistakes, a buffoon. That isn't good but it's better he be a buffoon than be 'the next Hitler' like so many people were saying he will be (they exaggerate just because they hate him).



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Outrider wrote:
The Unleasher wrote:
I swing slightly more right on the political spectrum, my twin brother does as well. I'm still young, the age when everyone's opinions are developing. In class, my brother said he wanted Trump to win. He got into a "fight" with some girl, there was no screaming or yelling. It ended with her saying, "You're racist and homophobic!" In my school, anyone who swings right of the centre is criticised. Luckily, I never feel compelled to share my political views. As I am one person, I barely matter, I can't even vote yet.


You are modest and humble but also remember you are capable of more than you realize.

Use your youth to self-educate yourself so that by the time you CAN vote, you know where you stand politically.

School will not teach you much about politicis and like many people here said will try to subtly push you to be left-wing even if you don't want to be.

I personally don't hate Trump.

He was a better choice than Hillary and the media really slandered him, he did be silly in lots of speeches, speaks a lot of nonsense, etc. but the whole racism/homophobia and all that was over-exaggerated.

At the very least I hope he is a bad president but not an evil president. Bad as in makes lots of mistakes, a buffoon. That isn't good but it's better he be a buffoon than be 'the next Hitler' like so many people were saying he will be (they exaggerate just because they hate him).


.....Hitler was considered a buffoon.....that's why he was accepted by the Conservative elite. They thought they could control him.


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