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25 Mar 2017, 10:42 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ Well, I certainly agree with you on this.


Wise. Kidding. :)

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25 Mar 2017, 10:43 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Not really, just Barchan. 8)


She is no longer Muslim anymore; finally.

Damn right, she submits to me now. 8)



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27 Mar 2017, 10:14 am

MushroomPrincess wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
Not really, just Barchan. 8)


She is no longer Muslim anymore; finally.

Damn right, she submits to me now. 8)


Ok...ay.

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29 Mar 2017, 6:41 am

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We have no business telling other people how to live.

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30 Mar 2017, 4:23 pm

I haven't read the entire thread, but I have a question:

How do you know who is a free person and who is enslaved?

Can a person not appear to be free, yet still be enslaved? Is it possible to be free with regards to one thing and enslaved to another?



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01 Apr 2017, 8:34 am

^ I guess. My conspiracy theorist dad says there are slaves in plain site who are dressed in normal clothes but have been ordered not to tell anyone they're slaves. He says there are taxi drivers who are literally slaves but have to pretend they're normal taxi drivers.

It's an interesting concept but I don't usually believe conspiracy theories.


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01 Apr 2017, 9:57 am

^ He's correct in some sense, but probably not the sense he intends.


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01 Apr 2017, 12:47 pm

Not really.

And in particular, I think it's ironic how the hijab is seen as an article of oppression, when it was originally worn by free women to distinguish themselves from the slaves. Being allowed to wear a head covering was seen as a mark of privilege.



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01 Apr 2017, 12:50 pm

The hijab has become a requirement, though.


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01 Apr 2017, 6:24 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
^ He's correct in some sense, but probably not the sense he intends.
How is he correct?


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01 Apr 2017, 6:47 pm

Slaves exist in every country, at the least taking the form of illegal involuntary servitude under extreme duress.


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03 Apr 2017, 1:46 pm

Barchan wrote:
Not really.

And in particular, I think it's ironic how the hijab is seen as an article of oppression, when it was originally worn by free women to distinguish themselves from the slaves. Being allowed to wear a head covering was seen as a mark of privilege.


Oh please....you still have islamic ideas and still believe in one of the most islamic myths: "islam freed women".

No, it did not; pre-islamic Arab women were stronger than post-islam: Khadija; Mohamad's first wife for instance; was a strong businesswoman. And she proposed to Mohammad, not the other around.
Polygamy of both sides was practiced - a woman could have several husbands too.

Arab pagans were also used to worship 3 main goddesses; the three daughters of Allah.

All this evaporated in Arabia after islam.



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03 Apr 2017, 5:57 pm

So what happened to Khadija after she got married? Did her wealth and business become Muhammad's property?


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03 Apr 2017, 8:37 pm

Married women in Louisiana in the 1960s needed their husbands' consent to dispose of their personal property, under (no s**t) Lord and Master Laws. Pre-Islamic Pagans sound good so far.


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03 Apr 2017, 9:01 pm

GnosticBishop wrote:
Do you, a free person, see Muslim females as slaves?

In the more right wing of Islam, females are what I would call slaves. I am prompted to think in that term because if I were a Muslim man living under Sharia, I can buy myself a few child brides. There is also little stopping me from doing the same, --- where Muslims live under Sharia law, --- in new adopted countries in the free world. Slavery returns to the West.

Fraternité, if I may remind the English speakers, means a fiduciary relationship to all other people. Slave is appropriate here. Fraternité and honesty also forces that I must look at Muslim females as slaves.

Do I, as a free man, have any responsibility to free these Muslim women, who inadvertently help propagate slavery by their lack of revolt against it?

The West also helps propagate slavery by allowing it into the West.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtY5bv-oxLE

If I, as a free man hold a responsibility, as a free person, do you?

How much tolerance should tolerant nations give to a huge slave trading religion and government system?

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Assuming control over another human (other than a child unable to manage his/her own affairs) is totally perverse.


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04 Apr 2017, 2:27 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
Married women in Louisiana in the 1960s needed their husbands' consent to dispose of their personal property, under (no s**t) Lord and Master Laws. Pre-Islamic Pagans sound good so far.
No one culture holds the monopoly on misogyny.

Just look at the ancient Greeks for example, for them it was taboo for women to leave the house. Their outdoor time was restricted to the courtyard. Note that while it was taboo it was not illegal. Hyperides said, “A woman who travels outside her house should be old enough that people ask whose mother she is, not whose wife she is.”
and from one of Euripides' plays we get "Men of sense should never let gossiping women visit their wives, for they work mischief". In other words women in ancient Greece were socially isolated. 


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