Incel terrorism

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This is so deja vu here on wp; it’s exactly like when men discuss their experiences with gold digger women for instance and someone needs to jump in with “not all women”.

The problem is you making distinctions where none are necessary. This conversation is clearly about self-labelled incels that belong to incel forums and post online about what it means to be incel (to virulently hate and want to kill women and men who don't hate women as much as they do, and to push each other to commit terrorist acts against non-incel--ie. "normal"--society.)

I notice that you and XFiles are both seem to be offering that people aren't this dumb thus the distinction should be common sense. The politics these days is so dumb that, just on the ground of what people do take seriously enough to act on, I have a tough time taking that for granted.

That said - when you clarified what you mean, I believe you and I'd take your word for it. That's all it really took was clarifying that point.

I'd add - that we all spend this much time dancing on our verbiage or asking others to dance, it goes to show just how much our culture in the west sucks right now. I'd love to think in a decade or two such eggshell-walking could be a thing of ancient memory, and I'm sure having a real media would help a great deal on that front.

I just thought the intention of the OP was pretty clear in the subject of the thread. There's just no need to make the discussion about the ones not involved in the terrorism when the thread is clearly labelled to be about terrorism. The fanatical ones are self-labelling as such online in incel forums.

I think we just ended up talking past each other longer than we would have imagined. The question of what bearing a guy's looks had on his being incel and how much of that had to link back to personality touched on a broader issue and I think that's how the conversation shunted off in that direction. I can't tell where I actually veered from not all incels who are physically attractive are terrible people to #notallincels but it either snuck up on me or was offered to me before I realized that's where it was getting taken.

Yup.

I've had to lock a few threads because of that. In the WP battle of the sexes, men and women tend to talk past each other.

Aspies? Talk past each other!? Never.....! !

This was a pretty circumspect commentary. I do think most female members on this board have a good grasp of what she's saying here because we all have the ups and downs of autism in common and we all know how prickly society can be, but I definitely think she spelled this out well for a lot of the people out there (cough...journalists...cough...) who can't think passed themselves on this.

I listened to about 15 minutes of her videos, including about 11 minutes of the one you posted, and I can bear no more. She seems like a brilliant concern troll, which may necessitate her patronizing attitude. She's like Ben Stein, after he stopped being funny.

One can easily find serious feminists disagreeing about any part of feminism, including confronting discriminatory generalizations about men. Let's see some incels doing the same, if the two movements arise from similar motives.

Her attempt to slide in that underlying assumption that men and women face comparable levels of illogical gender-based depreciation did not get past me unnoticed. More offense endured would logically imply more need for catharsis. IME, feminists engage in less man-bashing than incels and such engage in woman-bashing, relative to the level of thoughtful and useful comments from each group.

We either consider each group as a whole, or we can examine the most extreme elements. I think the best evaluation of a group comes from looking at the broad response to violent suggestions. Do the people venting come back to rationality after blowing off steam, or does the group push the discussion further over the line?

Usually, SJWs overall do better at this form of restorative justice than reactionaries. Of course, a focus on inclusion or exclusion makes a big difference.

That's a shame because I think she maybe made the best point toward the end of her video, ie. that incels come from the place of how they've been treated/mistreated by society, often to the point of really having most chances of a future at fulfilling society's marketed 'goals' for all participants taken away, and part of the problem comes in where most people can't imagine what its like to be in that spot therefore quite easily do the 'If I were in their shoes I'd never act that way', which in most cases just shows the lack of empathy or even sympathy. The point is a culture can't destroy certain people and their futures and expect them to be happy, and similarly it can't then actively scorn them for being what they are and expect that to fix the problem.

Also I was pretty clear to say that I wasn't posting this for our benefit as aspies lacking insight into the issue, I think her video is worthwhile for a lot of NT's and people in the media who, as I mentioned above, can't imagine and for lack of imagination come down with the weight of self-righteous anger or, as Sargon aptly put it, punching-downward.


Don't know what a concern troll is so I can't comment. Any particular tells that would suggest that she's saying something she doesn't believe?


That apparently did slip past me - guess I've gotta get my coffee in next time. I did notice her talking about the variance in how our culture handles incels and their feminist intensity equivalent, is that what you were referring to?

She reminds me of adifferentname. I addressed my response to the logical underpinnings of her concern trolling in the rest of my post. Her feelings of belief aside, I consider her argument disingenuous from the start. I will, however, brace myself and listen to the end part in a minute. There's a way to post the video starting at the relevant part, if you get a chance.

IMCO, Women have to put up with more net discrimination than men. I felt like I had to put up with way too much, as a man, but I try to see past my personal resentments, and look at the plain facts dispassionately. I end up wondering how women handle getting even worse treatment than I did.

In this conversation though, ie. incels, its a bit off-point to talk about the oppression of the average woman vs the average man. We're talking about the super-loser subset of the male gender, the guys who either drew the short-end of the genetic lottery, drew the short-end on family, friends, and formative experiences, or some blend of both. It's a very different place than the average, let alone stereotypical, male experience. One might attempt at pulling the facsimile groups across genders and examining them, ie. the way Prim did in her video, but that's about the closest you can really get to a comparison.

She starts around 15:38 on implications of life experience's impact on worldview.

IMHO it's probably just as good an argument on why one shouldn't bash SJW's too harshly, just that as I might have mentioned earlier it's a much clearer articulation than what I've heard from that group.

It's not just aspies. Youtube comment sections are far more atrocious.

Soon the war with iran will solve the incel problem.