Your race or sex means you can't speak on this.

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Is that it?
Is that the reason we lost him?
Then I add my here, too.

Obviously freedom of speech is a good thing but it can't prevent hypocrisy.

I'm a guy, ergo I would be a hypocrite if I were to opine on women's rights. I can say anything I want, that in no way prevents me from being a dumbass.

You are conflating Tax Collection Policy, with Government Spending Policy. In the U.S. the U.S. federal income tax was established in 1913. At the time the income tax was 1% of incomes over 3,000 dollars with an additional 6% on incomes over 500,000 dollars. From the very beginning income tax has had a direct effect on persons with higher income greater than that on persons of lower income. Prior to that there was no income tax, and yes the government still spent money.

Now tax collection and tax spending is related as governments typically increase taxes to pay for more government programs, but there are many schemes of taxation, and few if any governments 1 to 1 raise taxes in according with spending, hence the deficit/debt crisis. Thus, we can safely say that income tax policy has a DIRECT effect on the people it is collected from, but an INDIRECT effect on the persons receiving the benefits of government programs. For equivalency, we can say that abortion has a DIRECT effect on the woman getting the abortion, but an INDIRECT effect on the people who would later pay to care for the child (the father or state).

In the U.S. in 2017 the top 10% of income earners paid 70.6% of federal income tax. The bottom 90% paid 29.4% income tax. The top 50% paid 97.2% of income tax, while the bottom 50% paid 2.8%. This means that the top 10% of the country paid more than twice as much as the rest of the country combined, and the top half paid 25 times what the bottom half paid. The DIRECT effects of income tax policy affect high income owners more than anyone else.

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I'm guessing Northern Abolitionists were hypocrites for opining on Southern Slaveholders rights to own slaves?

After all they didn't own slaves, what could they know. [Sarcasm in case anyone couldn't tell]

That's an externality where those people were concerned. Human rights are distinct from human beings.

A statement that could easily be applied to the abortion debate.

My point is many abolitionists were neither slaveholders nor slaves. They had no experience with slavery. Yet they believed is was wrong and made that belief known.

That's a fairly moot point unless you think slavery is at all voluntary. It's just a crime, not part of anyone's persona.

I miss the point that would make a fundamental difference between this and saying the same about e.g. abortion.

Dictating laws about human organs I don't have would make me a hypocrite.

But dictating laws about social and economic relationships I have never expirienced wouldn't?

I apologize then. Sorry

[Darth Vader's voice]
Apology accepted
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But does it make any difference if I was for or against? I expressed an opinion about a human organ I don't own, didn't I?

Point is where they disagree it’s wrong and whee they agree it’s right. If it’s something they want you shouldn’t have a say if you’re oppose it, but if it’s something they oppose they should have a say regardless if it’s something you want.
Ie they just want to have control over everything and you to do what they say.

Well the entire world is part of the same economy so I'll have to say no to that.

You say no to what?

I don’t think they care if a man who’s pro abortion speaks out. They only want men who are anti abortion to not be able to speak out, not ,en in general. Similar to have they don’t want women who are anti abortion or anti feminist to have a say and shame them.

Many pro gun people believe anti gun people shouldn’t have a say or vote in the matter of guns.

It certainly bothers me people who have zero knowledge about guns, gun crime states, murder rat s etc, are getting to destroy our rights simply cause it won’t effect them so who cares. To be honest I stay out of things I have no knowledge on, I wish they would too, but I wouldn’t want to made illegal or tell someone they can’t voice their opinion