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02 Dec 2020, 6:26 pm

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If I were trying to make biden look bad, I'd wait until he was inaugurated before I started causing trouble again. Trouble NOW would be on trump's watch. If I wait till the torch passes, then I can say it's all biden's fault when I rile up my army of kobolds again. Basic strategy.

This seems like quite a succinct explanation of the BLM\Antifa actions over the past few months, being projected forward...

You are a very creative and imaginative individual. But, your timing is off, for one thing. I said I'd do it when biden STARTED his term, not when biden was ENDING his term. "Over the last few months" is still the END of trumps term, not the start. Kinda ruins the objective. Timing matters. Besides, trump doesn't need help looking inept. And if he does, The Leaky Lawyer Runny Giuliani is more than unqualified to make things much worse in no time at all.

Kudos for finding a sophisticated way to say "I know you are but what am I", but that's still the root of the message.

I'll add "BLM and antifa only exist to make trump look bad" to the pile of blind darts thrown at the wall in the hope they hit something.

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02 Dec 2020, 6:41 pm

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Besides, trump doesn't need help looking inept. And if he does, The Leaky Lawyer Runny Giuliani is more than unqualified to make things much worse in no time at all.

Trump has pardoned Giuliani and people are wondering what he (Giuliani) did that warranted his pardon?

I have one idea

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02 Dec 2020, 7:56 pm

Brictoria wrote:

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Interesting that you "neglected" to include that pertinent detail, then, leaving it to readers to believe that it was posted in this thread through the wording selected...

"I also posted this before"??

There's nothing misleading in that, he's posted it before.

Nothing misleading..Until someone attempts to verify the accuracy of the statement and cannot find the post in the thread, at which point the reader would be likely to question the trustworthiness of the person who claimed to have posted it earlier, given it wasn't posted in the thread, and they therefore have no way to confirm the statement regarding an earlier post was truthful, let alone that it was "ignored" by others.

That would be their error, though, wouldn't it? In assuming that the previous post was in this thread, when that was never said?

I notice you've put a great deal of effort into arguing over this trivia rather than engaging with the post I posted.

That's revealing in itself. Classic deflection strategy, and reality avoidance.

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02 Dec 2020, 8:17 pm

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Because the roads and buildings are not going to be fixed no matter how much the taxes will be raised.

And your grounds for saying that are ....?

IMO the roads will be fixed if and when there is enough political pressure to do so, from enough organized groups (and/or from enough rich donors).

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02 Dec 2020, 8:18 pm

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Both parties are bought and paid for by the same corporate interests. Again, I'm wasting my time.

So then why do you consistently seem to favor the Republicans, or at least Trump?

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02 Dec 2020, 8:29 pm

Redd_Kross wrote:

Brictoria wrote:

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Brictoria wrote:

Interesting that you "neglected" to include that pertinent detail, then, leaving it to readers to believe that it was posted in this thread through the wording selected...

"I also posted this before"??

There's nothing misleading in that, he's posted it before.

Nope: Simply a result of a certain "example" used in a previous post (screenshoted before an admin censored it)...If a person considers typing something such as that for use as an "example" to be "reasonable", why would the target of that comment have any reason\inclination to look at (or reply to) other "examples" they link to\provide given there is no guarantee it won't contain something related\similar to that original "example"?

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02 Dec 2020, 8:41 pm

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That post was solely to illustrate how alleging something doesn't make it true. Something you have been guilty of, in other threads, principally that one. And thus the allegation was deliberately preposterous. If you assume that allegations automatically = guilt, then anyone can be damned for all eternity simply by making something up, whether it's true or not. Do you really think that's a sensible premise? Because I don't. It's very dangerous indeed, which is why I called out your BS.

The link to the speech from the State official from Georgia was in answer to another conversation within this thread. It was introduced with the context clearly stated - threatening and intimidating behaviour towards election officials. I do not believe you are that blind to context, or debating logic, that you cannot see the difference. Unless of course you're so far in denial that you'll avoid uncomfortable truths in any way you can. Are you having a "snowflake" moment?

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02 Dec 2020, 8:41 pm

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We're not out of the woods just yet, though.
"Protecting the vote"

To amplify your link:

Increasingly normal: Guns seen outside vote-counting centers by Time Sullivan and Adem Geller, AP News, November 7, 2020.

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02 Dec 2020, 8:43 pm

Redd_Kross wrote:

I notice everyone chose to ignore the link I posted previously, about threatening behaviour towards officials and contractors engaged in vote counting.

Gabriel Sterling spoke about this earlier with considerable feeling, so here's another link you can all ignore:

Thanks for posting this.

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02 Dec 2020, 9:06 pm

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Brictoria wrote:

That post was solely to illustrate how alleging something doesn't make it true. A trend which you have been guilty of, in this thread. And thus the allegation was deliberately preposterous. If you assume that allegations automatically = guilt, then anyone can be damned for all eternity simply by making something up, whether it's true or not. Do you really think that's a sensible premise? Because I don't. It's very dangerous indeed.

The link to the speech from the State official from Georgia was in answer to another conversation within this thread. It was introduced with the context clearly stated - threatening and intimidating behaviour towards election officials. I do not believe you are that blind to context, or debating logic, that you cannot see the difference. Unless of course you're so far in denial that you'll avoid uncomfortable truths in any way you can. Are you having a "snowflake" moment?

And yet, given such a wide possibility of examples that could have been used "to illustrate how alleging something doesn't make it true", you chose something designed to cause offence\provoke a hostile responce, rather than electing to use a "neutral" example...

Given the association those comments have with past bullying experiences I have undergone, please be assured that I have no wish to risk any further "examples" connected with such a source, regardless of "explanations"\"descriptions of the content (even should they come from 3rd parties).

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02 Dec 2020, 9:20 pm

Brictoria wrote:

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You posted two links to Trump campaign allegations as though they were proof of wrong-doing. My post was simply to illustrate the huge, gaping flaw in making that leap between allegation and guilt, and the dangers that go with it. To be exact. "If you think those posts prove guilt, then if I say "Brictoria sucks sour plums", that must also be true". That isn't bullying, it's basic logic. If you want to get all offended about your own inability to hold a reasonable debate, that's not my problem. If you want to use that as an excuse to not engage with actual, real-world, relevent information, accurately defined and introduced, that is also purely a reflection on your own state of denial.

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02 Dec 2020, 9:24 pm

Let's not forget this little gem about deflection, either......

Brictoria wrote:

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Looking backwards for similar historical conditions, one example, with a number of similarities to now (particularly should some states send 2 sets of electors through the legislature concluding there was fraud which altered their state's legitimate winner), would be 1824..

You might recall I cracked a joke about your propensity to compare apples with oranges drawing on examples from the 1800s......and...you've done it again!

Honestly how is politics in 1824 relevant to 2020??

Curious: Focuses on the year mentioned rather than the entire post's content.

This would indicate either 1) poster ignored everything else presented in the post through not reading it in their haste to post a snide remark, or 2) they did read it and felt compelled to focus on the year referenced as a way to attempt to disparage the rest of the original post through being unable to refute its content.

Sadly, neither of those options reflect well on the poster of the above responce.

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“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” - George Santayana

Walk it like you talk it. The same logic applies both ways round.

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02 Dec 2020, 9:25 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:

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Both parties are bought and paid for by the same corporate interests. Again, I'm wasting my time.

So then why do you consistently seem to favor the Republicans, or at least Trump?

I didn't vote for Trump, nor have I ever voted for a Republican. I'm done with this s**t! No matter how many times I explain my position, I still get the same attitude. This site will never change!

Take care! I wish everyone here all the best.

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02 Dec 2020, 9:38 pm

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I'm sorry but this is really disingenuous. You can't throw "labels" at people (you have directed plenty at me) and then insinuate you are being bullied when you receive an appropriate response (yes it's spelt with an s)?

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02 Dec 2020, 9:40 pm

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There was a reason for that. It was intended to show the seriousness of doing such things - what it can do to a person if the evidence is false. If you have been a victim of bullying in the past I am surprised you did not understand this already. If I say "Brictoria likes petting kitties" it's not going to cause any offence whether it's true or not, is it? Alleging electoral fraud has life-changing consequences for those accused, and the wider system they represent, which is why there needs to be clarity on allegations vs. proven guilt. Don't throw people under the bus when they're still potentially innocent. You seem happy to do that, but unhappy when I do the same to you. Are you understanding this yet? If allegations = guilt then why not make stuff up? Brictoria is a murderer, Brictoria is a paedophile, Brictoria is psychopathic, Brictoria is an animal abuser. Not nice, is it? Pretty horrible, in fact. Don't do it, then. And in particular, don't throw s**t around and then play the victim when you're called out on it, because that's textbook cowardice. If you can't stand by what you've said, don't say it.

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02 Dec 2020, 9:44 pm

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Alleging electoral fraud has life-changing consequences, which is why there needs to be clarity on allegations vs. proven guilt. Don't throw people under the bus when they're still potentially innocent. You seem happy to do that, but unhappy when I do the same to you. Are you understanding this yet?

Excellent point, but you are communicating with somebody who believes that armed vigilantes should be allowed to murder innocent unarmed civilians and then hide behind the excuse of self-defence.

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