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13 Dec 2022, 10:11 am

^^^^ Sam Clements had good insight ..^^^^^^ on his suggestions about how fast lies can travel ( spread)
versus the truth


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13 Dec 2022, 10:14 am

Just like Huckleberry Finn and Huckleberry Hound did!



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13 Dec 2022, 10:40 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Just like Huckleberry Finn and Huckleberry Hound did!


^^^^^ very cute analogy ^^^^^


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13 Dec 2022, 11:25 am

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13 Dec 2022, 11:46 am

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I doubt that Twain actually said that. That is a distorted version of what he actually said.

What Ive seen and heard a hundred times that what he DID say was:" there are three kinds of lies. Lies, Damned lies. And statistics."

Statistics, not religion.

You could argue that religion is a type 'sweet lie', and SOME luminary of the past might well have said something like that. But not Twain.



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13 Dec 2022, 7:28 pm

Yes, the third was statistics.

Doesn’t even make sense as religion.


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14 Dec 2022, 1:43 am

We can no longer ask Twain if he ever said that religion is a lie.
In view of his other quotes, he will undoubtedly have thought it regularly.

That at some point homo sapiens acquired the ability to lie, and other people people the inability to fathom these lies will have a cause one way or another, an evolutionary advantage in the time frame then. Lying and believing in lies will not disappear tomorrow, but that there will be shifts in the distant future seems logical to me. Evolution is usually more stable than revolution.

Acknowledging, recognizing, accepting that religion is not true seems to me a step in the right direction, think of less discrimination, less wars, less exclusion.



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14 Dec 2022, 1:57 am

Erewhon wrote:
We can no longer ask Twain if he ever said that religion is a lie.
In view of his other quotes, he will undoubtedly have thought it regularly.

That at some point homo sapiens acquired the ability to lie, and other people people the inability to fathom these lies will have a cause one way or another, an evolutionary advantage in the time frame then. Lying and believing in lies will not disappear tomorrow, but that there will be shifts in the distant future seems logical to me. Evolution is usually more stable than revolution.

Acknowledging, recognizing, accepting that religion is not true seems to me a step in the right direction, think of less discrimination, less wars, less exclusion.


Here's something explaining Twain's religious views... or lack thereof.

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/global/ ... 0in%20mine.


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14 Dec 2022, 8:42 am

The Net is full of distorted quotes, and intact quotes attributed to the wrong people.

Its safe to say that if you buy Erehwon's Twain meme you are...believing in a lie.

Ironic. No?

Kinda like the story about how the boyhood George Washington "couldnt tell a lie", and fessed up to his dad that he "chopped down the cherry tree". Americans used to teach their kids not to lie by...telling a lie.



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14 Dec 2022, 8:47 am

The Cherry Tree Myth is akin to the Paul Bunyan myth. And the Illiad/Odyssey.

And, in a broad sense, Santa Claus.

They are lies-----they reflect what one WANTS to be true.

Conveys the ideal of a particular ethnic group.



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14 Dec 2022, 9:19 am

I've learned lately not to believe in popular quotes made by famous people.

I've also learned not to believe most of human history. Much of it is also based on lies too.



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14 Dec 2022, 10:11 am

I believe there should be a healthy skepticism----but I also believe most historians seek as much "truth" as possible. Journalism has sort of gone down by the wayside, though. It's too politicized. If I only got my news from Fox, or from MSNBC, I'd be in big trouble.

I believe people who call for the demise of Mankind don't hang out with many actual people.



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14 Dec 2022, 10:14 am

"The problem with internet quotes is that you cannot always depend on their accuracy." (Abraham Lincoln, 1866)



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14 Dec 2022, 10:15 am

:mrgreen:

I bet the specter of Abraham Lincoln still lives within many walls of houses.



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14 Dec 2022, 10:24 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

I believe people who call for the demise of Mankind don't hang out with many actual people.


Or maybe they're simply enlightened? :mrgreen:



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14 Dec 2022, 10:27 am

You don’t see wolves calling for the demise of their species. They do bad things, too.

Non-human nature is not pristine, either.

It’s dog-eat-deer :mrgreen: