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06 Apr 2022, 9:31 am

funeralxempire wrote:
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Communism Capitalism fails because the traits of greed and corruption cannot be 'evolved' out of humans.
Indeed. :nerdy:
If you are going to post a lie, do not attach my name to it.
It's not a lie, that is the source of most of the failings of capitalism (as it fails all around us).
But I did not say anything about Capitalism.  Mis-quoting me is lying.  If you are going to alter something I have said, at least have the decency of removing my name from it.
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Parodies should be labeled as such in the same post.

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06 Apr 2022, 9:36 am

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06 Apr 2022, 10:01 am

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Ahem - aaand moving right along...
Notice taken.  Thank you for your support.



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06 Apr 2022, 10:15 am

Controversial and/or Unpopular, Personal/Political opinions (a.k.a., "How I Think Things Should Be"):

• Any adult legal immigrant with no criminal history should be able to earn U.S. citizenship automatically by honorably serving a minimum of 4 years in any branch of the U.S. military.

• Any honorably discharged U.S. military veteran with no criminal history should automatically be offered employment in local, state, or federal U.S. government.

• Only honorably discharged U.S. military veterans with no criminal history would be allowed to run for U.S. President (a.k.a., Commander In Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces), provided they also meet all other previously-established criteria (See Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution).



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06 Apr 2022, 12:46 pm

I think all gun laws except second amendment should be repealed because I believe all gun control is unconstitutional I think I should be able to buy a machine gun with no background check or assault rifle and have it delivered to my door with ammo the same day I think the atf are a bunch of criminals I think every military weapon should be able to bought and owned without a background check but obviously not nukes



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06 Apr 2022, 1:52 pm

^Too many crazies for that. People not mentally fit to possess potentially lethal objects.


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06 Apr 2022, 4:19 pm

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I think every military weapon should be able to bought and owned without a background check but obviously not nukes
Well after what precedes it, that seems rather churlish - but presumably non-nuke cruise missiles would be Ok?


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06 Apr 2022, 4:25 pm

As it is, the Second Amendment only guarantees the right to bear arms, not to bear artillery.

The mere fact that a man has a big gun does not mean he will ever get a chance to properly use it, either.



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06 Apr 2022, 4:27 pm

I believe people should take an amoral perspective on politics. From a purely materialistic angle, good and evil are subjective evaluations decided on by each person's own, differing principles and knowledge. Furthermore, instead of a wholly rational process, differing personal emotions tend us towards different directions, some of which are engrained in an unchangeable nature. There is no one-size-fits-all solution, physically or metaphysically.

Some Leftists are aware of this, but still coat their arguments in moralistic language. I think it is most honest if we replaced right and wrong with want and don't want. Instead of "I want X, because Y is evil", "I want X, because I don't want Y". It is easier to argue for Y on more desirable terms than unwrapping moral fundamentalism.



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06 Apr 2022, 8:29 pm

Cornflake wrote:
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I think every military weapon should be able to bought and owned without a background check but obviously not nukes
Well after what precedes it, that seems rather churlish - but presumably non-nuke cruise missiles would be Ok?


How dare you try to infringe on my right to bear nuclear arms? :evil:

If there's an inherent right to bear arms why should the state be entitled to infringe on it all? How dare anyone deny me the right to make nuclear powered cruise missiles with cobalt-salted warheads. Even a background check to ensure I don't intend on holding the world hostage to impose my own dangerous leftist ideals upon humanity would be an unthinkable deniable of liberty.

It's my right as a supervillain. :skull:


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06 Apr 2022, 9:02 pm

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The problem is that while they're not 'mainstream' in the sense you're thinking, they're mainstream in that they're highly influential and trusted to the point that quite a number of people think that regurgitating their ideological preferences is the same as being informed about economics; and that should worry anyone who sees through their shtick because their influence is a significant factor in why so many struggle today.

/runon

Part of the problem is that the people who peddle these ideologies are able to present themselves as credible and authoritative and they pass their guano on to others who accept it as reasonable, and when that happens the end result seems to be a lot of people convinced that their bad idea is the only way forward. Ironically a lot of the criticisms end up being the same that's an ideological utopia that will only work on paper they often label other positions with. :chin:

That's right, capitalism is a system that largely works on paper but functionally needs substantial reforms to even be viable, as demonstrated by the entire period since Adam Smith first described it. It has never been implemented in any pure, large-scale form and generally speaking attempts at doing so are doomed to break down the closer they get.

All 'capitalist' economies in practice are mixed economies, just like most self-proclaimed socialist economies. Just like the economies that came before them, prior to those terms being defined.

It's interesting that you give Smith as the person who first described capitalism, and then state that true capitalism has never been tried. Now I happen to agree that true capitalism has never been tried, but I suspect I have a very different idea of what constitutes "true capitalism" to you!

Smith was not an anarcho-capitalist, or a libertarian, or an Objectivist, or an Austrian. He didn't advocate for the abolition of the state or anything like that. Smith wrote about the benefits of the divison of labour and free trade, as well as how individuals each acting in their own self interest can unintentionally work for the public good, but he also wrote about the harms of business collusion to fix prices, and the undue influence of money upon politics. Indeed, his concern about the influence of money upon politics feeds into his belief in the invisible hand. Smith believed that government should not favour one business over another - his arguments in favour of the free market were arguments against cronyism.

Very few significant capitalists believe that the government should have no role in society or the economy, or even just a role limited to law enforcement. Smith is one bogeyman for people on the left, others are Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek - both of whom thought government should actively redistribute wealth. Friedman and Hayek are both Nobel Prize winners, which gives an idea for the regard they are held in. If you want to find a Nobel Prize winner who was a minarchist, you'd have Leonid Hurwicz... who won for contributions to game theory. Murray Rothbard and Ludwig von Mises? Nope, not awarded.

True capitalism depends upon truly free markets, where decisions are made in rational self-interest. Not out of desperation, not out of coercion, not because you've been misled, not because there's no good choice. It requires a government that will correct market failures around information assymetry, externalities, public goods, and non-competitive markets. Not all capitalists will go as far as I will, but I think my position is much more consistent with Smith (who shouldn't necessarily be held up as a model of anything -we've learned a lot since he died) than Rothbard is.



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07 Apr 2022, 12:40 am

Cornflake wrote:
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I think every military weapon should be able to bought and owned without a background check but obviously not nukes
Well after what precedes it, that seems rather churlish - but presumably non-nuke cruise missiles would be Ok?

I would be fine with non nuke cruise missiles because I think the second amendment was intended to be our last line of defense and not for deer hunting I would be fine with anything except nukes the founding fathers let the citizenry freely own artilliary that was operational with no background check I think every adult male citizen should be required to know to shoot military grade weapons and I think every adult male should be required to own military grade guns if they are eligible to be in the military I don’t believe in a professional military I think the army should only be allowed to exist in national emergencies I think that we should only take military action including as little as drone strikes and cruise missiles only if congress declares war like they did in world war two



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07 Apr 2022, 9:59 am

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07 Apr 2022, 10:12 am

In case of an armed conflict, private rifles are meaningless against armies but useful against marauders.


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07 Apr 2022, 10:15 am

In case of an armed urban conflict, private rifles are useful for sniping at and demoralizing the opposition.



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07 Apr 2022, 12:03 pm

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Communism fails because the traits of greed and corruption cannot be 'evolved' out of humans.



It fails because too many people are not willing to work for free. This only works in small communities that are very isolated from the rest of the world.


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