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Imagine you are an actor rehearsing with a pistol that is supposed to be unloaded.  You squeeze the trigger and the gun goes off.  The bullet strikes a stagehand in the head, killing her instantly.

• Did a death occur?  Yes.
• Was it the direct result of your action?  Yes.
• Was the death a homicide?  Yes.
• Did you break the law?  Yes.
• Should you be charged and tried for your crimes?  Yes and yes.

Now imagine you are a person over the age of 18 at a place where only those people 18 and older are allowed to be present.  An attractive person propositions you, and you soon find yourself in a private place engaging in "conjugal bliss" with that person.  You later find out that the person was actually under the age of 18.

• Did you have with that person?  Yes.
• Was that person underage?  Yes.
• Is sex with an underage person a crime in that jurisdiction?  Yes.
• Did you break the law?  Yes.
• Should you be charged and tried for your crimes?  Yes and yes.

You see, it does not matter if you knew that the gun was loaded or if the other person was under 18.  All that matters is that your actions are considered crimes under the law.

"15 will get you 20" has been the mantra I have heard since before I became a teenager.  In my promiscuous single days, I hooked up mostly with women whom I knew were older than I, thus avoiding any statutory charges.  The fact that my first time was after I had turned 20 also helped (she was 22, and joined a Jesuit nunnery soon after).

If you could have known you were committing a crime, then you should have known you were committing a crime; otherwise, your lawyer should enter a plea of "Non Compos Mentis" on your behalf.

But in this case you can still get off and have charges dropped on you if you can prove you didn't know the gun was loaded. If someone had loaded it or swapped guns and you didn't know, that person would be held accountable and be charged with possible manslaughter.

This sort of thing did actually happen during a shooting of a film in the 1970's and the actor who fired the gun was not charged. I forget the name of the victim that died. The gun was supposed to shoot air but it shot a real bullet instead.

Then, by this reasoning, a person charged with statutory rape should get the charges dropped if he or she can prove ignorance of the child's real age.

[citation needed]

And if you don't got something solid to quote I expect this to be understood as nothing more than a particularly egregious personal attack and I'll be sure to have it dealt with as such.

a minority opinion here, if i were the 14 year old young man and a 19 year old slightly less young woman took a shine to me [literally], i would not mind and i wouldn't want the woman to get in any trouble over just some harmless fun. 14 IS OLD ENOUGH for consent in this case, in my case.

Somehow, even female predators are eventually found out.

But what percentage never are?

Hum, if I'm a 14-year-old boy, can I take the initiative to find a sexual partner and finally find a 19-year-old woman who agrees with me?
Such action does not seem unthinkable.

where were the teachers like Mary Kay Letourneau [or Brigitte Macron for that matter] when i was young? if they just were interested in me, no harm would have been done.

That's the thing about crime that isn't reported or otherwise detected, it's hard to know much about what you don't know about.

To be fair, you're speaking from where you are now with the baggage you've accumulated along the way. If you were looking back in retrospect with different baggage from an experience like that you may or may not feel the same way, in particular if it led to intimacy issues that impaired future relationships (as one example that comes to mind).

i'm speaking as the permanently stunted 14 year old who remains so even in a senior's meatsuit. and i'm only speaking for myself and others cognitively similar to myself.

I can relate to the 'permanently stunted' aspect, although I'm sure everyone's noticed by now. That said, where you (and I) am now includes those aspects.

Odds are no matter how else things turned out the permanently stunted aspect would still be in play, so if harm or severe emotional trauma did occur, you'd be processing it as that person and dealing with any resulting problems as that person.

As an aside, this is one of the things I hate about being delayed/immature/however you want to describe it. The demands increase, the complexity of the emotions you need to process increase but you're stuck with the same toolkit as a literal child. The only real room for improvement comes with experience. KMN

So it's his word against the minor's?

She can just lie about not having fake ID but how will she explain how she got into the adult club and they let her in, why aren't they investigating how she got in there and why they let her in? This is what should happen and if this were the case, people wouldn't be charged and registering as sex offenders for being raped by a minor. They didn't consent because they didn't know their real age.

My question is I wonder why don't detectives ever do anything about minors using fake IDs in adult clubs. If a 15 year old is sneaking into adult clubs with fake ID saying she is 18 and she is out meeting 18-21 year olds and screwing with them and then she gets caught by her parents, why isn't anyone investigating the club and looking at camera footage and why are the parents blaming the victims (the adults their child deceived) than her for lying about her age and going to adult only spaces posing as an 18 year old and meeting up with newly adults? Why don't the cops search the girl's home and her room for any evidence and search through here phone and computer for investigation? They did that with the gun that killed an actor in the 1970's and why it was loaded and why it didn't have empty shells.

Speaking of immaturity, I like to watch these youtube videos where PP Official likes to catch predators and I watch other channels that do the same thing too. But I notice that half of these dudes are intellectually impaired. They all know it's wrong but my question is do they really understand it's wrong or do they know it's wrong because everyone says it is? They may not understand it's wrong because they don't understand the harm they can do to a minor when they talk about sex or talk about doing things to them that are sexual or doing sexual talk to them online because their development is at that level so they are talking to their peers mentally. Makes me think these people need to be kept off the internet because of their inability to understand why they can't do this to minors.

I once watched another video and this 20 year old man had autism and lived in a group home and he was talking about feet to a fake 13 year old. These channels use decoys BTW and they pose as minors too online to catch these dudes. But this man is autistic and he is 20 and he had an obsession with feet. I at first thought this might be an interest for him and her might have been talking about his feet and hers and he wasn't being sexual about it and his autism kept him from seeing how this may look to others. I was 20 before and I was talking about diapers online to other minors who were into it and I certainly didn't see anything sexual about them. I also talked to other adults about it too so I thought this is what he was doing about feet but no, he was being sexual about it. How disappointing. If he hadn't said anything sexual about her feet and telling her what he wanted to do to them when they meet, I would have been on his side and think he did nothing wrong and it was his autism that made him not understand how this would look to others and because he is twenty and I have been 20 myself and that naïve. And I was not even interested in minors and I talked to them as my peers and I talked to adults too online. I had no age limit because I wasn't looking for a date nor a hook up and I didn't want sex. I am pretty sure if this were the case with anyone with a disability, the decoy might have not bothered meeting up with them because they didn't go any further than a normal chit chat. I have to keep reminding myself when I watch these videos "if their chats were innocent, they wouldn't be there confronting them and filming it and posting it."

Now in my 30's I don't see the appeal of trying to be friends with minors online. What would be the point? I wouldn't be able to relate to them and we both have totally different lives. They would have typical teen issues to talk about. What would I have to talk about? How it's tough to have a big yard and keep up with it and talk about adult issues like bills and needing a tree trimmed?

And for older men out there, what would be the appeal of hooking up with 18-24 year olds and f*****g them? Why not stick to women who appear to be in their late twenties and up? I can forgive young adults who are deceived by 15-17 year olds with fake IDs who snuck into an adult club to hook up for sex. But for older men, why do they want to f**k young adults for? They look like children to me. I couldn't imagine even f*****g middle aged men and senior adults and I can't see myself wanting to hook up with men sexually who look like children to me even though they are adults. Older men may want to f**k young adult women because they are vulnerable and easy to manipulate and be coarced which is why people see older adults as predators when they date an adult in their late teens or early twenties when they are in their 30's or up or late twenties.

But my husband was 32 when we met and I was 21 at the time when we met online. I wanted older men because of maturity but I didn't want aging men. I wanted men who were at least in their late twenties. I think our relationship was exceptional.

My 55 year old father married a 30 year old woman in 1987. Nobody ever batted an eye about that relationship. This was a rather common thing in 1987.