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13 Aug 2007, 8:31 am

Who you have sex with is nothing to do with it imo.

If a guy roots another guy just because he likes the feel, it does NOT make him gay unless he's attracted to guys.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:34 am

Yep.

See, Ragtime - everyone else gets it. Why the f**k can't you?

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13 Aug 2007, 8:39 am

It's the whole reason for butt plugs.. designed for straight guys that like the feel. You can be a guy that wants anal sex without being into men.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:43 am

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It's the whole reason for butt plugs.. designed for straight guys that like the feel. You can be a guy that wants anal sex without being into men.

everyone gets the equal opportunity to know how good it feels to poop.

it shouldnt hurt, like some authorities on the matter suggest (cough... ragtime... cough)

that was one of his backward reasonings for homosexuality being wrong... lol

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13 Aug 2007, 8:50 am

Sedaka wrote:

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It's the whole reason for butt plugs.. designed for straight guys that like the feel. You can be a guy that wants anal sex without being into men.

It might hurt I don't know, but it shouldn't have to, I guess.
There aren't enough gays and lesbians in the world in my opinion.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:56 am

hale_bopp wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

hale_bopp wrote:

It's the whole reason for butt plugs.. designed for straight guys that like the feel. You can be a guy that wants anal sex without being into men.

It might hurt I don't know, but it shouldn't have to, I guess.
There aren't enough gays and lesbians in the world in my opinion.

pooping should not hurt.... if it does.... plz go see a doctor.

if anal sex hurts... it's just cause you're not used to it or are being too rough... not cause it's gay and wrong... or that males are more prone to anal pain

as was suggested

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13 Aug 2007, 9:27 am

Sedaka wrote:

hale_bopp wrote:

Sedaka wrote:

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It's the whole reason for butt plugs.. designed for straight guys that like the feel. You can be a guy that wants anal sex without being into men.

It might hurt I don't know, but it shouldn't have to, I guess.
There aren't enough gays and lesbians in the world in my opinion.

I still don't see why Ragtime automatically associates homosexuality with anal sex anyway. He's obsessed with the anal sex aspect of it, I wonder why?
Plenty of straight women do it. And I sure as hell don't.
Therefore anal sex does not equal gay, and gay does not equal anal sex. A guy can be gay and never have someone shove their cock up his ass.

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13 Aug 2007, 9:37 am

and for all his ponderings of being gay or bi....

he said his homo. attraction was forced (before taking forever to craft and streamline his "pandora-box-o-sin" fabrication

and that he'd never have gay anal/oral sex nor would he return the favor

i find his mental probings very shallow on many topics

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13 Aug 2007, 9:42 am

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Yeah, he just can't understand it at all.
Apparently I hate men, just because I don't want to have sex with them ROFL.

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13 Aug 2007, 11:20 am

Sopho wrote:

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I see, so you cant go out at all then? Surely you can take a GPS device out with you so you dont get lost. As for the anxiety, it cant be totally crippling otherwise you wouldnt be at a uni. Do you have actually no friends at all in your uni?
As for it being a game, it often is, most people with transgender issues have lots of other things as well on average. I do know what it is.

Well it was the psychologist that diagnosed me who said it was 'incapacitating' and it is possible to go to a university if you have anxiety, I took Prozac for a while for it and saw a counselor. My tutors are all aware of my AS and anxiety and I don't have to speak to anyone if I don't want to. I get dropped off at the building, go into my lectures/seminars, maybe go to the library after, and then get picked up and go home. I have no friends. I don't want any though really.
Being transgendered is not a game. I still don't understand exactly HOW you think it is.

Psychologists do tend to overstate stuff, if it was totally incapcitating you would not be able to leave your bed. As for having no friends, what are you going to do when you have no network and more or less no way to get a career. You at least need a good collection of acquantances to step into the game of life. You see now what I mean about gay rights being least of your worries right?
As for transgenderism, you do not wake up in the morning and see yourself as a bloke correct?

He didn't necessarily overstate anything, he even said my AS wasn't very severe. I'll take his opinion over yours. And no, I'm not a 'bloke.'

Ok, then. You overstated something, but its a moot point.
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?

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13 Aug 2007, 11:22 am

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Ok, then. You overstated something, but its a moot point.
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?

I'm not answering any more of your pointless questions on this, until you explain to me how it is a game.

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13 Aug 2007, 11:35 am

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Ok, then. You overstated something, but its a moot point.
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?

I'm not answering any more of your pointless questions on this, until you explain to me how it is a game.

Fair enough. If you are biologically a woman, you are one. (and the same for men). If you turn around and say/ act as if you are not, it comes across as attention seeking as therefore a game to many people. Plus, many people who decide to be transgendered are doing it as a game, for example cross dressers and so on. Obviously how much transgenderism is a game depends exactly what you mean by being transgender, there are stacks of interpretions on what it is or isnt.

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13 Aug 2007, 11:38 am

Hadron wrote:

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Ok, then. You overstated something, but its a moot point.
So if you dont see yourself as a woman, what do you see yourself as. A bit of both?

I'm not answering any more of your pointless questions on this, until you explain to me how it is a game.

OK, I'm not talking transgendered as in transvestites or cross dressers. You can't be biologically a man or woman; you are biologically male, female or both/neither. 'Man' and 'woman' are social constructs. I am not a woman. I didn't 'decide' to be transgendered, I just am. And I don't choose to act like I'm not a woman. I'm just myself. How is that attention-seeking?
You've just shown your ignorance on this subject. Well done, Hadron.

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13 Aug 2007, 11:45 am

i think it's just a way of expressing the fine difference between simply being gay and feeling out of place within your body with respect to sexual identity...

she doesnt feel feminine herself, yet is attracted to women.

if she had the body she wanted... she wouldnt have to deal with all your crap.... or anyone else's

forgive me if i guess soph's angle wrong

thinking along these lines... i dunno whether she'd say she's really gay or not... cept that would entail a whole other level of things to have to argue through with all these circular arguments going on and it's just easier to say she's gay

and as with anything... there are always fakers... it's such a boring point to keep pressing.

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13 Aug 2007, 11:48 am

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thinking along these lines... i dunno whether she'd say she's really gay or not... cept that would entail a whole other level of things to have to argue through with all these circular arguments going on and it's just easier to say she's gay

Yeah, to me I don't think of myself as gay. I just say that in a lot of discussions on here because it's a lot easier than going into details. And to try and explain being transgendered to people who don't even understand gay, seems kinda pointless a lot of the time lol
So yeah, I wouldn't say I'm gay myself, but to avoid getting conversations away from the point and onto my gender identity, I just stick to the gay/straight thing.

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13 Aug 2007, 11:50 am

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So yeah, I wouldn't say I'm gay myself, but to avoid getting conversations away from the point and onto my gender identity, I just stick to the gay/straight thing.

And that in itself should actually show I haven't 'chosen' to be transgendered as some attention-seeking thing.
And Hadron, you seem to throw that out a lot. Mostly when you're obviously losing an argument. I guess it's easier to just accuse everyone else of attention seeking, rather than getting some half decent points to support your side.

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