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27 Aug 2007, 7:30 pm

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Time to give little Anubis some attention then:
I am well aware of what religion can do for people. It does a mix of good and bad, possibly more bad than good.
Not going to argue with the creationist scientists bit.
You might want to notice religious teaching keeps changing to accomodate scientific facts. In the far future it will have nowhere to run to.

I agree.

I also agree that religion do good to some people and gives them hope and all of that, I stated that before, it turns out to be a good thing sometimes, is not perfect, has some flaws and not all people benefit from it.

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Just because science can't prove it, doesn't mean it's there. You have to have faith and imagination in order to percieve that a certain force could exist.

It could or could not exist, but as you said faith and imagination, that doesn't count as a real solid evidence, yes, that can make you feel better, happy, peaceful, etc. but that seems more like a state of mind than anything else.


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27 Aug 2007, 7:30 pm

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I am well aware of what religion can do for people. It does a mix of good and bad, possibly more bad than good.


Without God the definitions of "good" and "bad" become arbitrary and pointless. If there are no absolutes, then there are no relative guidelines based on those absolutes. All laws become rules that only exist because a governing body says so. "Right" and "wrong" have no meaning, opening up a "pick and choose" state of existence for a world of people whose thoughts and actions are lesser than the animals. Vanity is existence, for to exist is in vain.



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27 Aug 2007, 7:34 pm

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I am well aware of what religion can do for people. It does a mix of good and bad, possibly more bad than good.


Without God the definitions of "good" and "bad" become arbitrary and pointless. If there are no absolutes, then there are no relative guidelines based on those absolutes. All laws become rules that only exist because a governing body says so. "Right" and "wrong" have no meaning, opening up a "pick and choose" state of existence for a world of people whose thoughts and actions are lesser than the animals. Vanity is existence, for to exist is in vain.

Not at all true. These rules more or less qualify human nature, and what a civilised society is. You dont need religion do decide that, asides the Pope's over the years have made lots of evil decisions and continue to do so.



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27 Aug 2007, 7:48 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I plan on becoming an electronics technician, and I'm getting A's in my introductory courses. However, after I can support myself as a technician I'm going to continue on in my favorite field: chemistry. Perhaps I can provide some of that testible evidence you're looking for. Yeah, I think you're right about staying convert on the issues. Coworkers can be nasty sometimes; they ask you what you think about something, if I speak my mind and answer them honestly, I am reported and fired. That has happened the last 3 jobs anyway. Do you know of any that aren't openly hostile to Christians where you live?


That's absolutely disgusting. Are anti-discrimination laws biased against Christians or something, don't they recieve the same rights to freedom of speech and thought?

More like our friend has no understanding of good old office politics.


They solicit my opinion, if I give it, I'm fired. I hate politics and freedom of speech isn't free.

Its called the world of work.


That's what sexual harrassment used to be called. The women in the workplace were being sexually assaulted, and when they complained, they were told to just deal with it, adding various insults to the injury. So, to say or imply that the status quo is the best we can do is always a big mistake. Just because one particular group finally gains legal protection doesn't mean things have become fair all around.


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27 Aug 2007, 7:50 pm

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One problem that I see is that Atheists are just too uptight about things like this. "Oh no, religion is wrong because it's illogical!"
"Wrong wrong wrong!"
Have you ever thought of what religion does for some people? Even if it's in vain, it works as a good mental placebo. People can reassure themselves that their chosen deity will protect them, and that attitude may make them sure of themselves, increase their will to live, and relax and comfort them. Religions also ensure that moral fibre remains in society, including a respect for human life the way it should be.

I know that I may be sounding biased towards the theists, but I feel that religion is getting kicked about unfairly.

I don't really think that you can have Creationist Scientists, the term is almost an oxymoron. You mean blind fools who follow the bible to every last word, but don't review the facts. The mainstream view amongst many religions today is that science explains the universe created by God, as it were. Perhaps some religious people believe that science will one day find God in whichever dimension he resides. Or find the explanation for God. God is a rather general term, it could mean simply mean the laws of the universe which we don't know yet, a supernatural deity, or an actual force which affects everyone. That would be the ultimate scientific achievement, in a way. Perhaps even better, to obtain an ultimate level of power over the universe that would rival a God's.

How philosophy has become much more complicated over the years.

The facts remain that religion does help people on an individual level, helps them cope with the vast, cold, unforgiving, uncompromising universe whether there is a God or not. That's the way many humans work.
Could you cope with the information that everything is futile in the end? Wouldn't you want to escape from that and be happy?
Of course, there are other ways to cope, but you have to be pretty strong willed and determined to cope with that, or just keep your mind off it, which itself can be difficult.

Ask yourself this: Would you rather believe that you had an eternal soul, or believe in total mental/spiritual death in the end based on only that which has been proven by science?

Let's just state a fact that everyone should know-

Just because science can't prove it, doesn't mean it's there. You have to have faith and imagination in order to percieve that a certain force could exist.

Also, some people call themselves open minded yet they aren't open to the possiblility that a God, in whatever form, might just exist. Who's the open minded one? The person who believes and has that faith in their religion of choice, yet is open and tolerant?
Or the complete atheist who says "hey, God isn't real you stupid £@X$%! !! I can't tolerate religious people, they need to shut the hell up and stop believing! WHAT, IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE? OMG YOU STUPID MORMON, all you have to do is convince yourself that it isn't real! OMG!! ! Religion brings no benefits because people don't acknowledge that there is no God! I don't care about humanitarian Christians, all that matters is that religious people get a brain and stop believing in God because it's not rational!! !"

So, please stop being so hypocritical, everybody.

Ok, I hope my rant got through to a few people.


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Time to give little Anubis some attention then:
I am well aware of what religion can do for people. It does a mix of good and bad, possibly more bad than good.
Not going to argue with the creationist scientists bit.
You might want to notice religious teaching keeps changing to accomodate scientific facts. In the far future it will have nowhere to run to.


Really? Essential Bible doctrines of conservative Christians change with the times? Hmmm. Name one. The Bible has never been revised, not even to accomodate a scientific discovery. Yet billions believe it, and it's still been the best-selling book since the Gutenberg printing press was invented in order to print it.

By contrast, the Koran has undergone numerous revisions, hundreds of years apart, and the old versions destroyed. No one even knows how many, because it's a secret best kept buried. Catholic doctrines, which merely tip their hat in the general direction of the Bible, change constantly -- even though one of their central claims is that they never change. :roll:
Also, the Book of Mormon has been revised several times to avoid statements which, in modern times, have become extremely embarassing.

The newest part of the Bible is nearly 2,000 years old. Therefore, if the Bible were thought up by man, much of it would very likely have been disproven and laughed to scorn long ago. No one's THAT good a writer, and prognosticator. I mean, Israel was dispersed throughout the entire world shortly after the New Testament was written -- and then, they were regathered back into their homeland from all corners of the globe to form one single, solid nation once again. Besides this being completely unprecedented in history for any other people, it was a direct fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies which were well over 2,000 years old. (See Ezekiel 37.)


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27 Aug 2007, 8:02 pm

I wish I was as hot as Ragtime.



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27 Aug 2007, 8:03 pm

Offtopic: Cool new avatar Ragtime. EYYYYYYYYYY 8)



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27 Aug 2007, 8:11 pm

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I wish I was as hot as Ragtime.


'Sup, babe. 8)


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27 Aug 2007, 8:11 pm

If I use this as my avatar will girls like me?
Does it work?

Image



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27 Aug 2007, 8:13 pm

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Really? Essential Bible doctrines of conservative Christians change with the times? Hmmm. Name one. The Bible has never been revised, not even to accomodate a scientific discovery. Yet billions believe it, and it's still been the best-selling book since the Gutenberg printing press was invented in order to print it.

Yes it has changed with time, it always does, not all things but some, or do you still believe all men lack one rib? do you still believe the sun travels around the flat earth and not otherwise? do you still believe if a woman doesn't bleed on honeymoon is because she is an aberrant sinner? A few examples of religion accomodating to scientific facts.


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27 Aug 2007, 8:22 pm

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If I use this as my avatar will girls like me?
Does it work?

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well, Ragtime's avie didn't work for him, maybe yours will.


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27 Aug 2007, 8:23 pm

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Sopho wrote:
I wish I was as hot as Ragtime.


'Sup, babe. 8)


EYYYYYYYYYYY



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27 Aug 2007, 8:29 pm

Bible doesn't teach that men have one less rib than women anymore than it teaches that Jewish male babies are born circumcised.

Bible doesn't teach the sun revovles around the earth, the catholic church promoted that idea because at one time it was modern science. Not derived from the Bible, but from Aristotle.

Nowadays women can break their heiman from using a bicycle and other activities that didn't exist at the time of Moses. If you're trying to say fornication isn't a sin: Biblically it is.

The Bible's text doesn't change, only the opinions of theologians.



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27 Aug 2007, 8:30 pm

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If I use this as my avatar will girls like me?
Does it work?

Image

DUHHHH
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if you go on a lesbian forum-and don't get hit on once-I'll smash my Styx albums in rage :)



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27 Aug 2007, 8:32 pm

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If I use this as my avatar will girls like me?
Does it work?

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HOLY HOT LESBIAN LIBRARIANS BATMAN!



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27 Aug 2007, 8:40 pm

so the vote is settled
Soph gets a hot avatar
(for Ragtime it was pointless for Soph it works) :lol: