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07 Apr 2008, 5:34 pm

Nature, huh?

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07 Apr 2008, 5:41 pm

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Nature, huh?

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That's arguing from practice, I'm talking about design.



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07 Apr 2008, 5:46 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
That's arguing from practice, I'm talking about design.

Well, there must be something about the way their brains were designed to cause this behavior to spontaneously emerge.



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07 Apr 2008, 5:54 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
That's arguing from practice, I'm talking about design.

Well, there must be something about the way their brains were designed to cause this behavior to spontaneously emerge.
And language is genetic.



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07 Apr 2008, 6:10 pm

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And language is genetic.

Actually, I think there is research showing that language is hardwired into our brains, and thus must have genetic elements to it.



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07 Apr 2008, 6:17 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
fabshelly wrote:
Nature, huh?

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That's arguing from practice, I'm talking about design.



what aspect of design? the pleasure aspect or the other functionality of procreating? considering that the male prostate can be stimulated via the anus, the pleasure aspect remains in tact with homosexuality though the procreation side fails.

but then again, i've seen arguments before where people have cited larger instances in larger populations (indicating a natural population control mechanism).

or do you dismiss the pleasure aspect of sex completely when you talk about design?



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07 Apr 2008, 7:25 pm

Zendell, I leave these people with you. I hope you don't get abused. I'm tired of this crap.



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07 Apr 2008, 8:14 pm

Odd, this article cites a study finding a concordance of 52% for monozygotic (identical) twins, and 22% for dizygotic (fraternal) twins.

This article suggests a possible linkage to inactivation of one X chromosome in gay men, passed through the maternal line.

The strangest part of this search was that the majority of the "research" is credited to an organization dedicated to "curing" homosexuals of their "perversion", which I would trust about as much as "research" conducted by a gay-pride group. Researchers with an axe to grind have surrendered the necessary scientific objectivity to a desire to please their own prejudices.

Did you perchance acquire your data from NARTH, zendell?


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07 Apr 2008, 8:26 pm

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This is a problem because if gay marriage is legal and gays can adopt children, the children will be more likely to be gay. Our society needs to protect minors from this sort of corruption. Even unadopted children will be effected because schools would teach that homosexuality is acceptable and legal, causing more of them to adopt this immoral lifestyle. If you don't think that's a problem, look up Sodom and Gomorrah.

Well, this entire argument premises itself off of the notion that everyone knows biblical morality to be true and that our government is meant to be structured upon theocratic lines. If either of those premises are rejected then the entire argument breaks down as we lacks a basis to attack anything because the Christian bible considers it evil. As well, Sodom and Gomorrah can just still be regarded as still having an emphasis on personal goodness than societal goodness given the fact that Lot's family was saved and that Abraham was able to get God to agree that if 10 good people were found in Sodom AND Gomorrah, that the cities would be saved. Really though, I think that it'd be a funky position to accept the historicity of Sodom and Gomorrah while rejecting Christianity.

Here is an informative video on the topic though.



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07 Apr 2008, 8:36 pm

I have to admit, this is an upsetting thread.
Why control someone else's life?



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07 Apr 2008, 9:28 pm

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I have to admit, this is an upsetting thread.
Why control someone else's life?


because they think they have the right



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07 Apr 2008, 9:28 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Zendell, I leave these people with you. I hope you don't get abused. I'm tired of this crap.

Sexually abused? 8)

well, parakeet, zendell and others who think this way, I am quite sure you are well intentioned and pray for these people, believing doing good, however, this being in a wrong direction it becomes harmful and dangerous, sadly, instead of being actually helpful (one of the things I personally don't see religion with good eyes) GLBT people are just like this and are brainwired like this and part of their nature, wether you call it what it was designed for or not, it is irrelevant, and it becomes an issue about gender roles and social norms.

I certainly would be based on scientific studies, secular scientific studies, more than religious or spiritual reasons to conclude if gay relationships are "wrong" or "right". Saying that, objectively speaking, two adult people consenting a sexual and romantic relationship, is as good and as healthy or unhealthy and as appealing, wether they are heterosexual and homosexual, the attraction, infatuation, crushes and even obsessions are the same, what we perceive with our eyes influenced by social and cultural norms make us see this in different ways.


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07 Apr 2008, 9:38 pm

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Labels don't matter. The fact is that Christianity has taught that homosexuality is a sin for the last 2,000 years and it will always be a sin. This is clear regarding gay sex although it's less clear regarding sexual orientation.

Homosexuality is NOT a genetic disorder and that's backed up by science. I don't think God would create anyone that way. It is an immoral lifestyle CHOICE. I believe in being compassionate toward "gays" just as one should be compassionate toward other sinners and want them to repent and follow God. There is hope for "gays." I witnessed a testimonial of someone who was cured of homosexuality and there are programs where parents can send their "gay" teens to rid them of this evil and there are treatments for adults also.

The Church has always condemned homosexuality (defined by the act - gay sex) as a sin. The Catholic Catechism states, "Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law...Under no circumstances can they be approved." (Catechism, #2357)

While the Catholic Church condemns homosexual acts as a mortal sin, the Church believes in compassion toward them.

"The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection (Catechism, #2358-2359)

You can have compassion toward gay offenders and other sinners without accepting their sins. You can have compassion for thieves without accepting stealing as ok. It's the same with "gays." Hate the sin. Love the sinner.


I do NOT believe that homosexuality is a sin. I am a very devoted Christian. There are many Christians who would agree with me. Therefore, I don't believe you are justified in your understanding that Christians will always consider homosexuality to be a sin because there already exists an exception to your generalization. Also, I do not believe Christianity is merely a label but an entire way of life which emanates from the basic belief in reconciliation through Christ not from dogma.