California overturned gay-marriage ban today!

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Morality is a pretty fuzzy issue here, because you are saying that what gay men (or women) do consensually with each other in the privacy of their homes is wrong.

I personally do not think about what they may be doing in their bedrooms, because it is none of my business; in fact, I do not wish to think about the genitalia of strangers at all, and I'm surprised that you do.

It absolutely baffles me that so many of you who say you are religious waste your time pondering such personal things about others. It is unproductive, and you could be spending that time reaching out to the unfortunates in this world who really need help. It's very unhealthy (and kind of pervy) to wallow in your sexual fanstasies about what gay people choose to do with each other.

However, since your mind is already deeply into sodomy, why aren't you equally outraged at one of the major themes of internet (and other) porn, which involves heterosexual buggery, typically by a heterosexual man upon a heterosexual woman?

Why is this never brought up by religious people as an argument against any form of marriage, since buggery may occur as soon as a heterosexual man gets that urge within the opportunity afforded by marriage?

If you are naïve enough to believe that only gay men do it, then how do you account for the number of women who are so revolted by the prospect of being sodomized by their heterosexual husbands that they would rather have them visit prostitutes for that type of service?

The point is, what people wish to do with each other should be their own business, and even if might be a thing that I personally do not wish to do, watch, or think about, if other people in this world agree that they want to do that privately, it is not my damned business - or yours.

no, the tone of the post on which i was commenting is what led me to call you ignorant.

and most definitions of sodomy include oral sex. generally sodomy is referred to as any act of non-penile/vaginal sexual act. so yes, i would say many, if not most, heterosexual people enjoy sodomy in some form or another.

You probably got me confused with others, I wasn't attacking oscuria, in fact before your post I didn't reply to him, unless you were refering to the ones who disagreed with him and attacked him. Yes, there are attacks here, hopefully I am not attacking anyone here. But yeah I disagree.

well I agree there, we should question everything or to put it the way I see it, should we claim absolute certainty about everything we know or take for granted?

Yes, well I don't like the idea of anal stimulation on me, to be honest, at least for now but then, because of my view on the issue, I am not condemning other people doing it, as long is consensual of course.

Disgusting? well, if I imagine myself kissing another guy or performing a sexual act with another guy, I pretty much would find the act disgusting, because, well I am straight, but I am not condemning homosexual acts because of it.

There seems to be a gross misconception about me here. I am not Christian, I do not believe in Hell. How can I be condemning anyone? I just point out what I really find disgusting.

Now, my problem with Homosexual marriage is not because I care with what they do behind closed doors (or because I am a closet homosexual ), but because it becomes a social problem. I am very conservative especially when it comes to socializing and I don't even think public displays of affection are acceptable. I certainly wouldn't want to walk to a park (if I ever did) and view a couple becoming intimate. Neither at the movies, or wherever people gather. Even more so I wouldn't want to see a homosexual couple do the same.

Yay for Cali!! !!

Show those evangelicals who's boss!

Wouldn't ignorance require a lack of knowledge? What would tone have to do with it?

Reading between the lines. If someone knows some things, they aren't going to say other things.

Very very sorry. I meant Kalister. Once again, I apologize.


Well, we are sorry for this misconception, or at least I am.

So, basically, your argument against gay marriage is that public homosexual activities cause you displeasure? I guess I can understand that. Hardly a strong moral point though, more of an issue of preferences, unless you are going to try to argue that homosexuality is objectively unpleasing. Really though, wouldn't you as a policy more prefer to ban PDAs than to ban homosexual marriage?

I'd rather ban homosexual public displays. PDAs, maybe. Some people really don't care for it. Don't push your gay aesthetic on others. Is that you lack sufficient privacy for these activities?

Ok, sorry, I thought you were Christian as I thought I remembered you saying it, but I guess I confused you with somebody else perhaps, ok, how would that be a social problem exactly?


Maybe it has a little to do with our sexual orientation, about watching other people, well, I obviously, for me watching on video or TV a straight couple showing affection, arouses me, and watching gay couple (except for lesbians ) don't do that effect on me, now I am talking about video here, not public affection in a park, but that can explain why is easier to accept straight public affection than gay. Not saying you do, as you say that you don't even like straight public affection either.

We obviously have different moral views about this issue, because my moral view is centered mostly around the concept that something being inmoral is when you are hurting someone, so sexual perversion and sexual inmorality for me would apply only when you hurt people, non-consensual acts, and causing discomfort.

I'm sort of exasperated after reading the last nine pages of this thread.
I was under the impression that our autonomous brethren would be cheerful
for more rights and provisions to our fellow man/woman.
Instead I see an onslaught of fear and disgust;
the perversion of our esoteric selves that we tend to
disapprove of and lock away.


What do they call that sludge that separates from the chili in the can
when you open the lid? Does anyone know?

That sludge in the chili can? Believe it or not, it's sludge. Sludge mingled with slime and goop. Who knew?

I never actually argued morality until Kalister brought it up. I still find homosexuality disturbing, that is not going to change. I really don't have that much of a problem with what people do behind doors as long as it's legal. And about banning homosexual marriage, really homosexual marriage is something that doesn't exist in my mind; it doesn't make sense. It's not something I see myself accepting either.





I really shun some of the channels. There really isn't anything decent on TV or in movies. I am not really turned on by lesbians either. Public displays just doesn't seem right. It comes across disrespectful to me. I guess it might have to do with my reticent behavior.

Everyone has their own morals. Mine are just very reserved.

Or maybe it was a subtle nod toward those who enjoy submission play?