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Do you believe in a God or follow any sort of religion?
yes (I'm aspie/autie) 41%  41%  [ 127 ]
no (I'm aspie/autie) 55%  55%  [ 170 ]
yes (I'm NT) 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
no (I'm NT) 2%  2%  [ 5 ]
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23 Aug 2008, 6:10 am

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Faith is not about having evidence. Faith is not about having proof. I think I'll put this as my signature so people can see it everytime I post. :roll:


If you've never seen proof than isn't there some kind of comparison to a kid believing in santa ?
Because both get passed down by parents and you become a believer long before you are able to properly pass judgement on them.
You can't blame people for not grasping blind faith in a time of science where there is an explanation for almost everything.
In my opinion religion is a relic from the past where it was extremely usefull to give people hopes and belief during harsh times.
We all want to believe everything wil be better in the future.
Don't take this as a flame, it's just my observation as a non-religious person.



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23 Aug 2008, 6:20 am

Actually religion, amongst other attempts to find some order in the universe, was a genuine attempt to puzzle out how to deal with things. It organized people into communities to help each other out, to support leaders who would coordinate the efforts, and to murder and torture and punish in one way or another anybody who got in their way. Even though much more intelligent and logical systems have been devised, the organizations still exist and still do many of the things that have been traditionalized with some good effects and some quite horrible effects. And when questions are asked about why they continue in many of the ways that no longer make any sense the only answer is that they must believe in what they do with no reasons whatsoever because not doing so would make them question what they are doing and would disrupt their lives in a very upsetting way.



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23 Aug 2008, 6:23 am

corroonb wrote:
If god does wish us to believe in Him and worship Him, why does he prove his existance to us?

slowmutant wrote:
Faith is not about having evidence. Faith is not about having proof.


So, god created the human race so that they may praise him, but without having any evidence of his existence. Sounds rather silly to me.
The concept of a god creating an entire world just so that its' inhabitants could worship him is a bit perverse imho :P


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23 Aug 2008, 6:26 am

Naw. It's not totally perverse. It's insane.



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23 Aug 2008, 6:34 am

Unbeliever wrote:
corroonb wrote:
If god does wish us to believe in Him and worship Him, why does he prove his existance to us?

slowmutant wrote:
Faith is not about having evidence. Faith is not about having proof.


So, god created the human race so that they may praise him, but without having any evidence of his existence. Sounds rather silly to me.
The concept of a god creating an entire world just so that its' inhabitants could worship him is a bit perverse imho :P


Sounds silly to me too. God must be fairly petty and vain if he wants humans like slowmutant to worship him.



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23 Aug 2008, 6:39 am

Considering what psychology of God has been revealed by his Biblical actions, I guess he has to be happy with whatever worshipers he can nail down.



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24 Aug 2008, 1:17 pm

corroonb wrote:
Unbeliever wrote:
corroonb wrote:
If god does wish us to believe in Him and worship Him, why does he prove his existance to us?

slowmutant wrote:
Faith is not about having evidence. Faith is not about having proof.


So, god created the human race so that they may praise him, but without having any evidence of his existence. Sounds rather silly to me.
The concept of a god creating an entire world just so that its' inhabitants could worship him is a bit perverse imho :P


Sounds silly to me too. God must be fairly petty and vain if he wants humans like slowmutant to worship him.

Rofl.



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24 Aug 2008, 2:54 pm

Unbeliever wrote:
corroonb wrote:
If god does wish us to believe in Him and worship Him, why does he prove his existance to us?

slowmutant wrote:
Faith is not about having evidence. Faith is not about having proof.


So, god created the human race so that they may praise him, but without having any evidence of his existence. Sounds rather silly to me.
The concept of a god creating an entire world just so that its' inhabitants could worship him is a bit perverse imho :P

well, if I was one to create a virtual world with individual sentient programs living in it, without them being capable of seeing this reality, if technology for that would be possible, then, I would demand to be worshipped.


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26 Aug 2008, 2:07 am

I believe that We are all god. So I would pose the question as "Do you believe in your self?"



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26 Aug 2008, 7:53 am

I believe that self is separate from God.



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26 Aug 2008, 8:38 am

I believe that God is a stupid concept created by humans to answer questions and/or something to thank for what we have. (Look back 12,000 years ago, everyone was worshipping the sun which perfectly explains the latter, though if I were to side with the people who believe judaism and christianity are just parodies of sun worship which actually has it's nice amount of evidence to it honestly you could say today people indirectly worship the sun)



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26 Aug 2008, 8:39 am

People today worship their own intellects. :roll:



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26 Aug 2008, 10:12 am

I'm aspie and lean heavily to the eastern religions. I believe in Advaita Vedanta which is Hindu. What others call God I call The Universe. Works for me.

Many of the attributes we tend to attribute to capitalized G God I can't go along with - like personal god and creator god. For me whatever one might construe as god is totally inseparable from everything else one might mistakenly think a "personal god" has "created". In my view there is neither beginning nor end to anything. Everything is eternally recycled and transformed.

To sum up I neither believe nor disbelieve in God: I believe in The Universe.



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26 Aug 2008, 10:23 am

And that's okay.



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26 Aug 2008, 11:23 am

alba wrote:
I'm aspie and lean heavily to the eastern religions. I believe in Advaita Vedanta which is Hindu. What others call God I call The Universe. Works for me.

Many of the attributes we tend to attribute to capitalized G God I can't go along with - like personal god and creator god. For me whatever one might construe as god is totally inseparable from everything else one might mistakenly think a "personal god" has "created". In my view there is neither beginning nor end to anything. Everything is eternally recycled and transformed.

To sum up I neither believe nor disbelieve in God: I believe in The Universe.

So you're a pantheist?



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26 Aug 2008, 11:36 am

No, I believe he is a mysticist.