If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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01 Oct 2011, 4:59 am

If a girl is raped then she MUST abort

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01 Oct 2011, 10:49 am

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Looks just like its daddy.

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01 Oct 2011, 1:01 pm

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Looks just like its daddy.

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Looks just like the mommy too at that stage of development...

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27 Oct 2012, 7:40 pm

Abortion all the way. Children born of rape are usually frowned upon. Doesn't help that a lot of adopters are scum.

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27 Oct 2012, 7:47 pm

You know what? A child born of rape is supposedly born. The mother and everyone else conspires to keep the identity of the boy or girl's real father a secret. I don't like that particular scenario. Sooner or later, the child will find out the truth and then attempt suicide.

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27 Oct 2012, 8:07 pm

I think it should be her choice either way. It's none of my or anyone else's business as far as I'm concerned, when I think about right and wrong as how I see it.

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27 Oct 2012, 10:44 pm

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I think it should be her choice either way. It's none of my or anyone else's business as far as I'm concerned, when I think about right and wrong as how I see it.

My stance is keep or adoption, the child is an innocent life, and I find it laughable that many people are against the death penalty when it comes to murderers, but are okay with butchering innocent children.

The woman is the victim of a horrible crime, however that doesn't mean the woman should have the right to murder an innocent child either. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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27 Oct 2012, 11:11 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

LeeAnderson wrote:

I think it should be her choice either way. It's none of my or anyone else's business as far as I'm concerned, when I think about right and wrong as how I see it.

It's not innocent, and even if it were, it doesn't have the right to use her body without her permission.

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27 Oct 2012, 11:17 pm

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LeeAnderson wrote:

I think it should be her choice either way. It's none of my or anyone else's business as far as I'm concerned, when I think about right and wrong as how I see it.

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P.S.: I love it when you say that you “stand for innocent life” when it comes to denying abortions in cases of rape! It implicitly suggests that the women I rape are in some way complicit in and guilty of the crimes I commit on top of, and inside of, their bodies! Which works out perfectly for me. Keep it up

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27 Oct 2012, 11:53 pm

My opinion is that having the baby would be the right thing to do, but no one should ever be forced to have a child if they were raped. Barring rape, though, it's irresponsible and amoral to kill an unborn baby to escape from the consequences of a choice you knowingly made.

On second thought, I have conflicting thoughts on whether the lives of unborn babies are really that important. After all, people kill millions of animals that are both more intelligent and more capable of feeling pain. Babies may be human, but their thoughts are primitive and they feel pain no greater than an animal would.

In an ideal world, no babies or animals would be killed, but considering that I allow the killing of animals and continue to eat meat, I see no way I could condemn the killing of unborn babies without feeling like a dirty hypocrite. So I guess I have to choose logic over tribal instincts. I can't live at odds with myself.

Those are my thoughts. They make me uncomfortable, too.

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28 Oct 2012, 1:47 am

LKL wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

LeeAnderson wrote:

I think it should be her choice either way. It's none of my or anyone else's business as far as I'm concerned, when I think about right and wrong as how I see it.

It's not innocent, and even if it were, it doesn't have the right to use her body without her permission.

By definition it is an innocent, and furthermore, if you think about it, the child didn't ask to be put in the woman's body in the first place. How about you all do some research on creating an artificial womb to put the child in, over drooling over murdering innocent children.

Two wrongs do not make a right. We're talking about a human child, not a tumor, not a disease. A child is not responsible for whatever crimes one of their parents committed.

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28 Oct 2012, 4:13 am

No because she didnt choose to get pregnant and was forced agaist her will furthermore it would be difficult for the chold being born to find out his or her father was a rapist.

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28 Oct 2012, 8:27 am

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I'm pro-life but it does seem kind of cruel to say a girl who's raped HAS to become a mom. Though on the other hand I find the idea of killing a baby because of the circumstances they were created by appalling. What do you think?

I guess I would say abortion is acceptable in the case of rape if the girl is under 14 or so and isn't physically capable of having a baby, or if the woman is suicidal as a result of the rape because that would classify as a life-threatening situation. I hate the idea that the rapist's baby should be killed because of what their father did, to me it's a form of honor killing and most religious pro-lifers actually support abortion when it comes to rape which I find inconsistent.

I just think if it HAS to be the mother or the baby, the mother should come first. But if the girl/woman is physically and emotionally capable of having the baby, she should have it probably and if she doesn't like the baby because it reminds her of its dad, she can give it up for adoption.

Why is any of this your interest or your business to have an opinion on in the first place?

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28 Oct 2012, 8:36 am

LKL wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

LeeAnderson wrote:

I think it should be her choice either way. It's none of my or anyone else's business as far as I'm concerned, when I think about right and wrong as how I see it.

It's not innocent, and even if it were, it doesn't have the right to use her body without her permission.

How is it not innocent?

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28 Oct 2012, 9:38 am

^ It does not make sense to call a thing without sentience "innocent".

Rocks are not innocent either.

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By definition it is an innocent

Noun: An innocent person, in particular.

It is not a person -> not innocent, not guilty , not anything.

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In an ideal world, no babies or animals would be killed

And the locusts would win.

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and furthermore, if you think about it, the child didn't ask to be put in the woman's body in the first place.

What child?

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How about you all do some research on creating an artificial womb to put the child in, over drooling over murdering innocent children.

"murdering", "innocent" "children". We have been in this rodeo before, daring. You do not get to hijack English language to emotionally charge the issue. Abortion is not murder. What gets killed is not innocent. And what is killed is not a child.

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Two wrongs do not make a right.

Three wrongs definitely do not do it. Rape + denial of the most basic right, the right to decide what happens to your body + forcing a birth to happen in this overpopulated world. That's three wrongs.

Let the woman choose.

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We're talking about a human child,

No, we are not.

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28 Oct 2012, 9:47 am

Vexcalibur wrote:

^ It does not make sense to call a thing without sentience "innocent".

Rocks are not innocent either.

Iniyusha wrote:

By definition it is an innocent

Noun: An innocent person, in particular.

It is not a person -> not innocent, not guilty , not anything.

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In an ideal world, no babies or animals would be killed

And the locusts would win.

The closest synonym to "innocent" is blameless. The child is blameless.

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Definition of INNOCENT

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a : free from guilt or sin especially through lack of knowledge of evil : blameless <an innocent child>

Is the child free of guilt? Yes. Does it have lack of knowledge of evil? Yes. Is it blameless? Yes. Fits all criteria of being innocent.

Not a person? If it isn't a person, what is it? What species is it?

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