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04 Jul 2017, 9:17 pm

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When did Bern ever compare Mexican immigrants to rapists?

Trump didn't do that. He said Mexico sends their worst people over the boarder, their drug dealers and their rapists.

But people chose to interpret their into they're as in they are. That's just simply purposefully misleading propaganda.

That's not me supporting or defending Trump. That's just me stating facts.

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04 Jul 2017, 9:23 pm

It's such a bizarre misnomer that any country is actually a coherent entity.

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04 Jul 2017, 9:32 pm

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When did Bern ever compare Mexican immigrants to rapists?

Trump was clearly trying to rally anti-Mexican racists in the United States.

That's why he wanted to force Mexico to pay for the wall. He's implying that all Mexicans are responsible for this.

By the way, the US military is still supporting the Mexican Drug War under Trump. How can you stop Mexican immigration if you won't acknowledge the real cause of it?

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04 Jul 2017, 10:08 pm

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Trump didn't do that. He said Mexico sends their worst people over the boarder, their drug dealers and their rapists.

There are legal migrants from Mexico who make up 33% of all legal migrants into the US (US census 2015). So Trump's first mistake is claiming "all" Mexicans entering the US are rapists and criminals as that is a slur on the US government departments that are supposed to be processing these people.

Secondly of the illegal aliens entering the US the vast majority are economic migrants who are too poor to find a decent living in Mexico. These people make up a fair number of fruit pickers, cleaners and factory workers, large numbers of women and children - hardly rapists or thugs as Trump will have you believe.

Third Mexico doesn't actually send anybody across the border. This last point is a unsubstantiated lie that somehow the Mexican government is deliberately chucking their criminals across into Texas invoking cold war conspiracies about Fidel Castro sending criminals on leaky boats to Florida.

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04 Jul 2017, 10:10 pm

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EzraS wrote:

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When did Bern ever compare Mexican immigrants to rapists?

Trump didn't do that. He said Mexico sends their worst people over the boarder, their drug dealers and their rapists.

It's so blatantly obvious what Trump's tactic was when he was running against Ted Cruz and Rubio, he wanted to make sure he stood out against other republican candidates plus take a swipe at their Latino roots. The ploy worked.

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04 Jul 2017, 10:47 pm

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Bernie opposes globalization because he doesn't want American businesses to exploit people who live in countries with no minimum wage.

Trump and Sanders profess Socialist economics.

Socialism is a nationalistic ideology, "more for me, less for foreigners".

Both Trump and Sanders have explicitly said so in their speeches. They want more for Americans, and less for foreigners.

Right now, as Sanders suggested, Trump is negotiating NAFTA, opposing TPP, creating import tariffs, working on securing the border, curtailing "guest worker" H1B immigration.

These anti-foreigner actions are labeled "racist".

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04 Jul 2017, 11:40 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Bernie opposes globalization because he doesn't want American businesses to exploit people who live in countries with no minimum wage.

Trump and Sanders profess Socialist economics.

Socialism is a nationalistic ideology, "more for me, less for foreigners".

Both Trump and Sanders have explicitly said so in their speeches. They want more for Americans, and less for foreigners.

Right now, as Sanders suggested, Trump is negotiating NAFTA, opposing TPP, working on securing the border, curtailing "guest worker" H1B immigration.

These anti-foreigner actions are labeled "racist".

What kind of ignorant filth is this?

Socialism? Nationalistic? Poppycock!

"The working men have no country. We cannot take away from them what they have not got."
- Karl Marx

Are you one of those idiots who thinks that Nazi Germany was a socialist country?
If so, you might as well believe that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic republic. "They call themselves democratic. Why would they lie about something like that?"

I honestly don't even know how to argue with such an uninformed opinion. Ridiculous.

I'll remember your post. You can never accuse liberals of "playing the race card" ever again. This is the worst use of the race card that I have ever seen.

I'm not surprised. Conservatives play the race card all the time. For some reason, it's only "whiny" when liberals use it.

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05 Jul 2017, 12:08 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

Bernie opposes globalization because he doesn't want American businesses to exploit people who live in countries with no minimum wage.

Trump and Sanders profess Socialist economics.

Socialism is a nationalistic ideology, "more for me, less for foreigners".

Both Trump and Sanders have explicitly said so in their speeches. They want more for Americans, and less for foreigners.

Right now, as Sanders suggested, Trump is negotiating NAFTA, opposing TPP, working on securing the border, curtailing "guest worker" H1B immigration.

These anti-foreigner actions are labeled "racist".

Karl Marx's more famous quote is "free trade under the present condition of society? It is freedom of capital" ... "the freedom of capital to crush the worker".

Socialist are nationalistic, because they oppose free trade agreements.
Socialist are nationalistic, because they support import tariffs.
Socialist are nationalistic, because they oppose guest worker programs.

Trump and Sanders also believe in these ideas.

It's right here in the "Socialist party of America" ...
https://www.socialistpartyusa.net/platform

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05 Jul 2017, 12:27 am

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Now you are just pugging you ears and chanting capitalist mantras.

Do you know why socialists sometimes oppose international trade? It's about preventing exploitation.

Most socialists are okay with the European Union. That's because worker unions are common all throughout Europe. Preventing international trade across Europe is pointless.

Most socialists oppose NAFTA because it is used to exploit the Mexicans.

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05 Jul 2017, 12:35 am

Chomsky has smart stuff to say, as usual.

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05 Jul 2017, 12:36 am

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Sure, I understand why, but we've gotten off-topic.

This discussion started based on accusations of racism.

I showed how Trump's "Racism" is the same as Sanders "Racism".

So, by demonizing Trump as racist, one is also demonizing Sanders.

Are TPP Opponents Racists, Isolationists And Protectionists?
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/sujata-dey ... 99904.html

Does 'secure the border' mean 'keep America white'?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/21/opinion/g ... index.html

Opposing immigration wasn’t always racist
https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2017/ ... story.html

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05 Jul 2017, 12:42 am

Chomsky continues to drop truth bombs.

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05 Jul 2017, 2:04 am

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EzraS wrote:

Trump didn't do that. He said Mexico sends their worst people over the boarder, their drug dealers and their rapists.

I don't think he was referring to all, but rather too many. To say threre isn't a serious gang and crime problem that's been coming over the boarder for decades is in error.

I get the idea though, they're all completely innocent harmless poor people who just want to pick fruit and the US wanting to strengthen it's borders is based solely on the fact that Mexicans are "brown people".

Of course if you had any experience living in southern California for instace you'd know what the actual situation is. Do some research on central and south American gangs in Los Angeles county for example. Do you have any idea how many illegals who have been arrested in the US for violent crimes had criminal records in Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua etc before they illegally crossed the boarder to victimize Americans?

A relitive of mine who works for the Los Angeles county sheriff's dept sure knows and has plenty to say about it.

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05 Jul 2017, 2:34 am

They aren't even hiding it anymore.

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05 Jul 2017, 2:45 am

EzraS wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Trump didn't do that. He said Mexico sends their worst people over the boarder, their drug dealers and their rapists.

So perhaps Trump could have just framed it as "getting tough"on organised crime that use illegal entry channels to enter the US. His language painted Mexicans with a broad brush which resonated with mainstream white America who deep down would prefer not seeing Mexicans in their neighborhoods or schools...

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05 Jul 2017, 5:16 am

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Why do people hate globalisation so much?

In a perfect world, globalization would be fine. However, our world isn't perfect.

In many countries, corporations essentially use slave labor. Most products that are "made in China" are made by slave laborers.

Many of these countries have no minimum wage because their governments are corrupt. Read about Augusto Pinochet. The American government helped him get into power. For years, Western businesses exploited Chilean workers.

International trade would be fine if workers in every country had rights. Unfortunately, this is not the case.

I get that but those Foxconn workers would get paid even less if they returned to the rice paddies. Here's another example of people who are even poorer because they don't work in a sweatshop. Some people would literally starve to death if the sweatshop they work at was closed down. Refusing to buy goods made in their world countries would not solve the conditions that lead to their poverty, it would simply make them even poorer.

Rather than economically isolated the third world and expecting them to dig themselves out of poverty, I think it would be better to give them opportunities to trade with us so that, over generations they can gradually become wealthier and improve both the quality of their goods and the conditions in their factories. 60 years ago Japan, South Korea and Taiwan were very poor. They began manufacturing low quality goods and gradually increased their wealth until they were able to manufacture very high quality electronics and provide a first world standard of living for their people.

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