greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Ok, now I get you. What form does your relationship with God take, does he speak to you?
Usually not with words, but more directly through thoughts. When it is through actual words, they're almost voiceless. That is to say, the voice has no sound, either real or perceived. It's impossible to fully explain.
You are describing a psychological experience through religion actually.
From past conversations, I already know you'll debunk God at every opportunity. Just a knee-jerk denial. (Get that fixed; start using your brain.)
I don't debunk God, I just question these things, since I used to be a christian I started to question everything about it.
You seem to think that God really talks to you and you seem very sure about having the truth, while there is another person from a different church, who would say different things, and at the same time that person says God speaks to him and he has the truth, a third person says a different thing, etc. Which of all you have the real truth?
That's why we all have, and need, the Bible. There is one Bible for all churches to refer to. That is how we are supposed to stay co-orindinated in our beliefs. These two verses say it best: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work" (2 Tim 3:16-17). Therefore, if something a Christian says is found to contradict the Bible, he can and should be corrected by it.
greenblue wrote:
I started to questions the dogmas from my old church, and they are a little different from yours, interpretation of the Bible is different from yours, you won't agree with them, claiming that my former church don't have the truth, only yours, while people from there would say they have the truth. These tiny little things started to make me wonder about things.
Did they do verse-by-verse Bible reading/teaching in the church service? That's essential. No sermon should be without Christ and Scripture as its center, and focal point.
greenblue wrote:
I do have some of a brain, I hope, at least enough for me to not believe everything I have been thought without question them first. I was a christian when I was a boy, then I grew up, I saw things differently, feeling confused at first and sad actually, kinda like a little kid feels when finding out Santa Claus really doesn't exist, the feeling was similar to me, is not like I just stopped believing, I just have doubts, and have more and more doubts with time, to the point of leaving the church and becoming agnostic, the anti-gay stuff was one of the things that made me have doubts, because it didn't sound right to me. Mostly after knowing that my brother had a friend who had depression because he was gay.
I understand what you mean. Sounds like your doubts fit Matt 13:20-21, in the parable of the sower. "But he that received the seed (gospel) into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receives it; Yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while: for when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, by and by
he is offended."
The anti-homosexual principles offended you, and added to your growing doubts. Satan is said to plant seeds of doubt in people's hearts, and that sounds like what has happened to you.
greenblue wrote:
I do really believe that what people experience in church is no more than psychological experiences, they have a passion for something that it might be good for them, because it gives them hope and hapiness, after all is part of being human, of having emotions, that can be good, but nothing is perfect, it always have some flaws.
There are, as with all experiences, psychological phenonmena involved in church, but all the more should there be a spiritual unity among the people in Christ.
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Christianity is different than Judaism only in people's minds -- not in the Bible.
11 Aug 2007, 11:25 pm
