If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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02 Nov 2012, 7:15 pm

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By the by, I should think that compelling a woman to gestate a baby against her will would be tantamount to rape.


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02 Nov 2012, 7:18 pm

mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
By the by, I should think that compelling a woman to gestate a baby against her will would be tantamount to rape.


THIS!


By the way, I'm sorry if I offended you earlier. I was trying to parody various Republican statements, such as "legitimate rape."



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02 Nov 2012, 7:34 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
By the by, I should think that compelling a woman to gestate a baby against her will would be tantamount to rape.


THIS!


By the way, I'm sorry if I offended you earlier. I was trying to parody various Republican statements, such as "legitimate rape."


No, not offended at all.


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02 Nov 2012, 7:36 pm

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I should 'have the kid' if someone rapes me? Um, no. I didn't sign up to have a kid, and if you want to see me have that kid you're going to have to re-implant it into my dead, cold body after fighting me to the f***ing death.


mechanicalgirl39, the issue here is rather simple, we're talking about killing an innocent child. Quite frankly, if you were raped and you later blew the rapist's head off with a cannon and I was on the jury, I wouldn't vote to convict, I'd call it justice, hell I would say you deserve a medal. The child is not the rapist though, they are an innocent life, I don't believe it is okay for you to take your anger (which you are perfectly justified in feeling) out on the child by murdering said child.

mechanicalgirl39, the sad truth is that removing the child is incredibly risky, and an abortion is a deliberate attempt to murder the child. While some people here may claim that pro-lifers are dehumanizing women, that is actually not the case. What people often fail to understand is that pro-lifers refuse to dehumanize children simply because people find them to be "inconveinent."

Rapists are monsters that quite frankly should burn in hell; however the child is an innocent life, not the monster whom violated you and there really isn't much sense in killing an innocent child so we then end up with 2 victims of heinous acts.

@ ArrantPariah & LeeAnderson

How about the two of you stop trying to start a flame war...


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I respectfully disagree with you on some of what you have said here, but hopefully we can have a civil debate on the subject.



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02 Nov 2012, 7:37 pm

Actually it was the liberals in the Bible who proposed that the rapist should marry the victim and it was the conservatives of the bible who wanted the rapist to face execution.



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02 Nov 2012, 7:57 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
I should 'have the kid' if someone rapes me? Um, no. I didn't sign up to have a kid, and if you want to see me have that kid you're going to have to re-implant it into my dead, cold body after fighting me to the f***ing death.


mechanicalgirl39, the issue here is rather simple, we're talking about killing an innocent child.


We're talking about going overboard on punishing women.



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02 Nov 2012, 8:02 pm

So now the republicans think its okay for a rape victim to become a vigilante and to take justice in her own hand?



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02 Nov 2012, 8:37 pm

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So now the republicans think its okay for a rape victim to become a vigilante and to take justice in her own hand?


The Second Amendment is sacred.

The Repugnicans are also quite anxious to repeal Obamacare. They want to force a raped woman to gestate her rapist's baby, but want absolutely no "free health care" to be furnished to these parasites. If the woman and her baby die in a gutter somewhere: good riddance!



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02 Nov 2012, 10:24 pm

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So now the republicans think its okay for a rape victim to become a vigilante and to take justice in her own hand?


Actually, I would rather the Police throw the scumbag in the slammer for the rest of their lives, after castration of course. That said I wouldn't blame the woman for "temporary insanity" and killed the rapist.

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We're talking about going overboard on punishing women.


No, you're talking about giving a woman the right to murder an innocent child... In my opinion the situation of the woman carrying the child to term has more to do with current technological limitations. Currently, the only option for both the child and the woman to have the maximum chance for survival is for the woman to carry the child to term, unless someone knows of a way to transfer the child to a woman that actually wants to have kids...

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The Second Amendment is sacred.

The Repugnicans are also quite anxious to repeal Obamacare. They want to force a raped woman to gestate her rapist's baby, but want absolutely no "free health care" to be furnished to these parasites. If the woman and her baby die in a gutter somewhere: good riddance!


Republicans don't view rape victims as "parasites," we view them as victims of crimes, and as far as I'm concerned assuming the rapist has the money to pay for it, the rapist should be footing the bill for the hospital bill. If the rapist doesn't, well he can always have the money he'd make for making license plates go to pay for the medical care.



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02 Nov 2012, 10:29 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Republicans don't view rape victims as "parasites,"

They regard rape victims as parasites if the rape victims are poor and can't afford health insurance.

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as far as I'm concerned assuming the rapist has the money to pay for it, the rapist should be footing the bill for the hospital bill. If the rapist doesn't, well he can always have the money he'd make for making license plates go to pay for the medical care.

Who is going to pay if she exercises her second amendment rites and kills him? No-one, of course. Time to die in a gutter.

Of course, if her rapist is a Republican politician, then he will just tell her to go and abort the God-damned fetus.



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02 Nov 2012, 10:33 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Republicans don't view rape victims as "parasites,"

They regard rape victims as parasites if the rape victims are poor and can't afford health insurance.


You really need to stop drinking the Kool-aid from the DNC...

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Inuyasha wrote:
as far as I'm concerned assuming the rapist has the money to pay for it, the rapist should be footing the bill for the hospital bill. If the rapist doesn't, well he can always have the money he'd make for making license plates go to pay for the medical care.

Who is going to pay if she exercises her second amendment rites and kills him? No-one, of course. Time to die in a gutter.

Of course, if her rapist is a Republican politician, then he will just tell her to go and abort the God-damned fetus.


Actually most Republicans would have that politician "tarred and feathered," by the end of the week. Republicans aren't as likely to "circle the wagons," compared to the Democrats.



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03 Nov 2012, 4:58 am

Inuyasha: for the record, legal abortion (especially 1st trimester) is an order of magnitude less dangerous for a woman than childbirth.



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03 Nov 2012, 6:21 am

Inuyasha wrote:
mechanicalgirl39 wrote:
I should 'have the kid' if someone rapes me? Um, no. I didn't sign up to have a kid, and if you want to see me have that kid you're going to have to re-implant it into my dead, cold body after fighting me to the f***ing death.


mechanicalgirl39, the issue here is rather simple, we're talking about killing an innocent child. Quite frankly, if you were raped and you later blew the rapist's head off with a cannon and I was on the jury, I wouldn't vote to convict, I'd call it justice, hell I would say you deserve a medal. The child is not the rapist though, they are an innocent life, I don't believe it is okay for you to take your anger (which you are perfectly justified in feeling) out on the child by murdering said child.

mechanicalgirl39, the sad truth is that removing the child is incredibly risky, and an abortion is a deliberate attempt to murder the child. While some people here may claim that pro-lifers are dehumanizing women, that is actually not the case. What people often fail to understand is that pro-lifers refuse to dehumanize children simply because people find them to be "inconveinent."

Rapists are monsters that quite frankly should burn in hell; however the child is an innocent life, not the monster whom violated you and there really isn't much sense in killing an innocent child so we then end up with 2 victims of heinous acts.

@ ArrantPariah & LeeAnderson

How about the two of you stop trying to start a flame war...


@ LKL

I respectfully disagree with you on some of what you have said here, but hopefully we can have a civil debate on the subject.


The child IS somewhat analogous to a rapist. Removing it isn't murder, it's self defense. It's inside your body affecting your body against your will, therefore you have the right to defend yourself.

After all a rabid dog can't help being rabid but if that dog is biting your leg off you are entitled to shoot it.


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03 Nov 2012, 7:39 am

LKL wrote:
Inuyasha: for the record, legal abortion (especially 1st trimester) is an order of magnitude less dangerous for a woman than childbirth.


He just doesn't care.



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03 Nov 2012, 8:00 am

Inuyasha wrote:
You really need to stop drinking the Kool-aid from the DNC...


I never drink Kool-aid. If you EVER accuse me of drinking Kool-aid again, then I will tell a moderator on you.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND???

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Actually most Republicans would have that politician "tarred and feathered,"


Although Republicans are a violent lot, there was no tarring and no feathering. Any Republican politician in his position would have done the same thing.

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by the end of the week. Republicans aren't as likely to "circle the wagons," compared to the Democrats.

You really need to stop drinking the Kool-aid from Faux News...

And, of course, you artfully dodged my principal concerns:

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Republicans regard rape victims as parasites if the rape victims are poor and can't afford health insurance....

Who is going to pay if she exercises her second amendment rites and kills her rapist? No-one, of course. Time to die in a gutter.


Assume that her rapist is not a Republican politician, that she killed him, and that his estate consisted of nothing but debt.

Certainly you would have voted to acquit her of murder (had you been in the jury), and given her a medal, but who is going to pay for her legal defense? Who is going to pay for her medical bills, food, and other living expenses? If she can't work full time AND take proper care of the baby, then Republicans consider her a parasite, worthy of death by starvation, dehydration and exposure.

Republicans crave complete and absolute control over women's bodies, but don't want to pay anything for this control, which is wreckless and irresponsible. Republicans just want to spend everything on the military, and on tax cuts for the rich.