The problem of SJWs

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06 Jun 2018, 9:34 pm

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I didn't know that. I do know about some other stuff though like thinking "trolls" are autists from 4chan.

Ironically, they hate autistic people over on 4chan.

Trolls are usually sociopaths or other types from the "dark triad". They are as far from autism as it gets, in most respects.

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06 Jun 2018, 9:38 pm

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The threat from the right seems more obvious, a "pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps" society means bye bye benefits, on the extreme, it is not much of a stretch to go from white male supremacy to ableist supremacy. On the surface, the left seems autistic friendly calling out discrimination, safe spaces for the oppressed to be themselves etc.

I argued with quite a few SJWs who stated that it's a perfectly reasonable and even noble idea to strip off benefits from the autists, so they can use money "for the greater good of bigger groups of people". See the example with horrible psychiatric healthcare in France. Or Canada - it explicitly banned immigration of people with disabilities, including autists.
As of me, I never had any benefits anyway.

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07 Jun 2018, 12:23 am

Advocating for autism supremacy strikes me as fitting the profile of an SJW. We can function in society, and even contribute a lot, but the notion of a society built entirely by autists strikes me as absurd. Idealistic pursuit of a ludicrous goal?

Equality of opportunity and access to advancement seems perfectly reasonable and achievable by comparison.

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07 Jun 2018, 10:39 am

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I would say an autistic SJW would be similar to an NT one. They would demand society completely cater to us. If one is demanding that our every whim needs to be catered to that is not supremacism, it is the opposite even though people demanding that don't usually realize it. Autistic SJW's take as fact that anybody neurotypical no matter what happened to them in life is privileged and therefore anything they have to say about autism is automatically invalid and needs to be shut down by any means necessary.

A big thing on youtube is videos of people crying and screaming and having meltdowns and labeling them SJW's. The idea is that they are pampered entitled brats. But there is a difference between someone melting down at a "micro offense" because they are spoiled and an autistic meltdown. But the context is nonexistent to the SJW's and the people trolling others they think are SJW's. This is how SJW's are ruining the reputation of the groups they think they are advocating for and anybody advocating for any type of rights, anybody pointing out discrimination.

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07 Jun 2018, 11:10 am

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... and yet most of the SJW radfems who support female supremacy, hypocritically consider aspie supremacy to be bad.

SOURCE: This site used to have a radfem just like that. I can't name her, as that would be a personal attack.

Fortunately, I see no sign that she will ever return.

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07 Jun 2018, 11:16 am

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From what I have seen, that sort of anti free speech attitude is far more common in feminism and "black power" than it is in the autistic community.

Do some people throw tantrums in the name of autism rights? Yes, but the feminist movement and the black power movement are far more prone to that sort of immature behavior.

From what I have seen, the autism rights movement has been one of the most peaceful and mature progressive movements in history.

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07 Jun 2018, 1:12 pm

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I agree but my answer was in the context of disagreeing with jrjones9933’s statement that autistic supremacists fit the profile of SJW’s. Most autistic supremacists fall into two categories, the we are the next stage of evolution people, and those venting about inferior NT’s make making their life miserable. While the former is closer to what we traditionally think of as supremacy the latter is much more common. The closest thing I have seen to language policing is demands for identity first language but much much more often it is identity first language people fighting back against demands for people first language.

JrJones9933 mentioned building our own society, those people are Autism segregationalists, not necessarily supremacists.

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07 Jun 2018, 1:30 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

JrJones9933 mentioned building our own society, those people are Autism segrationalists not neccesarly supremicists.

I'm not really concerned about autism supremacists or segregationists. They are all bark and no bite. They don't have any significant power.

Pro-autistic extremism is extremely marginal. It's far more marginal than female supremacy, black supremacy and even gay supremacy.

What little pro-autistic extremism exists in the world can easily be ignored, and so it should be ignored.

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07 Jun 2018, 2:46 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:

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JrJones9933 mentioned building our own society, those people are Autism segrationalists not neccesarly supremicists.

In the outside world true but the issue in our little corner of the world is that a significant percentage of autistics define the neurodiversity/autism rights movements as elitist, supremacist, or SJW.

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07 Jun 2018, 3:08 pm

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Really? I see no evidence of this.

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07 Jun 2018, 5:41 pm

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Really? I see no evidence of this.

There are often posts here and elsewhere saying the neurodiversity movement is made up of Aspies/High Functioning types people who do not give a rats ass about "real autistics".

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07 Jun 2018, 6:13 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

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Really? I see no evidence of this.

There are often posts here and elsewhere saying the neurodiversity movement is made up of Aspies/High Functioning types people who do not give a rats ass about "real autistics".

This is because society expects us high-functioning autistics to work and act like "normal people".

That's why the autism rights movement is dominated by high-functioning autistics. Society thinks that we are just faking it. Most people seem to think that low-functioning autistics are the only ones who aren't faking it.

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07 Jun 2018, 11:18 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

We can function in society, and even contribute a lot, but the notion of a society built entirely by autists strikes me as absurd.

This is segregationalism, not supremacism. These ideologies are unrelated.

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07 Jun 2018, 11:27 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

A big thing on youtube is videos of people crying and screaming and having meltdowns and labeling them SJW's.

I'd say that those people are throwing tantrums rather than having meltdowns. These two things are completely different.

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07 Jun 2018, 11:42 pm

XenoMind wrote:

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We can function in society, and even contribute a lot, but the notion of a society built entirely by autists strikes me as absurd.

This is segregationalism, not supremacism. These ideologies are unrelated.

In practice, the vast majority of segregationists believe in supremacy of some sort.

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08 Jun 2018, 2:34 am

XenoMind wrote:

ASPartOfMe wrote:

A big thing on youtube is videos of people crying and screaming and having meltdowns and labeling them SJW's.

I'd say that those people are throwing tantrums rather than having meltdowns. These two things are completely different.

I think a lot of people in those videos are not putting on an act to get something which is a tantrum but are really that fragile from lifelong enabling from helicoptor parents, schools etc.

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