The problem of SJWs

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I read all those books, and we should remove them from a place of honor.

“Colored people don't like Little Black Sambo? Burn it. White people don't feel good about Uncle Tom's Cabin? Burn it. Someone has written a book on tobacco and cancer of the lungs? The cigarette people are weeping? Burn the book. Serenity, Montag. Peace, Montag. Take your fight outside. Better yet, into the incinerator. Funerals are unhappy and pagan? Eliminate them, too. Five minutes after a person is dead he's on his way to the Big Flue, the incinerator serviced by helicopters all over the country. Ten minutes after death a man's a speck of black dust. Let's not quibble over individuals with memoriams. Forget them. Burn it all, burn everything. Fire is bright and fire is clean.”
Ray Bradbury

Yeah. If we remove them from a place of honor, it's exactly the same as burning them.

My Grandfather based his respect for others on their social standing...God rest his mega conservative soul.
My Father bases his on what others have done and if it impresses him or not...Nobody is going to miss that part of dealing with him when he is gone from the earth.

I base mine on how people treat others and themselves, primarily...if they give each other (and themselves) respect or not. It's a little dizzying and cyclical (like all the really cool things )but so far as i can see it works really rather well.

Lets have a little look at "THE PARADOX OF TOLERANCE"! Shall we?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

ooooh... Tricky isn't it.

but if we scan down a bit ...we see something interesting. John Rawls seems to have resolved the thing PRETTY WELL when he says:

"While an intolerant sect does not itself have title to complain of intolerance, its freedom should be restricted only when the tolerant sincerely and with reason believe that their own security and that of the institutions of liberty are in danger."

SO, I think what is being realized in this topic is a thing that has MANY times distressed me when i have seen it. it is EXTRAORDINARILY simple...for something that started out noble...to become a nightmare.
I've been thinking about how this can happen for a really long time and after many years of consideration I feel I have come to understand it pretty well. It's something like this:

If you go out to fight great evils so that you can be a hero and you find them ....you will be victorious, but if you go out to fight great evils and don't and continue to insist that you are a hero who fights great evils...even after they are not so common anymore...if you continue to fight for social justice where the remaining degree is insufficient to warrant the presence of a great champion of social justice...YOU BECOME THE INJUSTICE.

You don't see it ...nobody ever does and every villain always thinks they are the hero but being a hero doesn't work like that and it has NEVER made anyone popular.

Take Tesla, everybody thinks Tesla is SOOOOOO Cool. And I agree...he is. but they didn't think that then.
Then he just scared everybody and made things nobody was ready for. Do you think even for an instant he would do differently now if he were alive today? Odds have it you would be just as scared of a "Today Tesla" as they were of Tesla of the 1900's. That's yer hero, you'd be terrified of him, you'd shove him off alone, you'd leave him devoid of anything but the company of pidgins and he'd die that way. Alone, with the pidgins...AGAIN.

THAT is what happens to heroes...and NOT popularity. I don't like it I am just saying it's how it is and that there are reasons Batman wears a mask.

Every crowd of pitchfork and torch wielding champions of justice THINKS they are the heroes, But the moment the cause no longer justifies that...they become the villains by using unjustified force to fight battles that never demanded it. It isn't morality, or social standing or the cause or the character that makes this scary line between Hero and Villain it's whether or not it is really just. how much courage it really takes to risk social consequences for speaking out against things people are afraid to speak out against because they have been made afraid by a culture of fear. EVEN a villain can BE a hero...for a moment at least. If you step out no matter the consequences because you feel a duty to do it...
If you know you will pay a price, and non-negtiably if it truly needs to be done and what you do genuinely warrants the extent to which you act and there is at least SOME objective and real argument for it that doesn't depend on your own tiny point of view...then your a hero, and otherwise your not. Go home, stop making a mess.

near as i can tell....that's how it is. If somebody disagrees...I'm listening and I am always open and respectful to other perspectives.

Not exactly the same, just the first steps to the same direction.

Did you find that argument in the definition of the Slippery Slope Fallacy?

Few people on the left want to destroy even the most offensive public monuments to bigotry. The overwhelming majority just want the Confederate statues removed from their place of honor. Let museums take care of them, if they indeed have historical significance.

No slippery slope, just the step to the very same direction. Read your own definition.

If you wan't to reply to the substantive parts of my post, rather than delete them, we can continue the discussion. I like snark for spice, but have no time for long threads of just snark.

It's kind of funny, arguing about black and white thinking on an autism forum. Maybe you should talk to your CBT specialist about these bizarre ideas of yours.

There aren't any.


Bully on WP. How cute.

Getting help with the prevalent autism symptom of B&W thinking is bullying? CBT helped me immeasurably, and when I see such an example as your connecting removing an honor with obliteration, it makes me think.

If you don't want help, by all means don't get it, but acting like my suggestion constitutes an insult? Your attitude makes seeking help seem worth insulting, and I find that attitude deplorable.

Obviously not enough.

Took me a second. Accuse others of those acts of which you yourself are guilty - MAGA principle number one

And you obviously don't understand that this principle applies to you, too.

Guys, stop please. This thread got locked once before and I managed to persuade the mods to open it back up again but I don't know if I'll be that lucky twice. Please don't get it locked again.

Certain posters on here seem to be of the impression that being snarky is synonymous with being correct. You're wasting your effort trying to engage these posters in an intellectual discussion, because even if they have a thorough understanding, they won't ever demonstrate that to be the case. The discussion will always remain superficial and condescending, with attempts to pivot every time you make a valid argument they can't address. You're better off just making a mental note of these posters for the future so you don't waste your time again.

Heard. I can be condescending to my own self, if I feel the need for more.