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08 Jul 2018, 7:36 pm

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Just because the Huffington Post is stupid it doesn't mean that it is truly left.

No true Scotsman...



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08 Jul 2018, 7:53 pm

XenoMind wrote:
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Just because the Huffington Post is stupid it doesn't mean that it is truly left.

No true Scotsman...

It's not a logical fallacy, I ask you for evidence and you talk about their stupidity. Perhaps you should remember that the far left existed long before Social Justice Warriors and their nonsense.



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08 Jul 2018, 9:50 pm

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It's not a logical fallacy, I ask you for evidence and you talk about their stupidity. Perhaps you should remember that the far left existed long before Social Justice Warriors and their nonsense.

It is a fallacy, and your denial won't change nothing.
I don't see many leftists trying to stop this SJW insanity, and silence means compliance. And don't forget - stupidity is dangerous. Mao killed some 50 millions just because of his sheer stupidity. That's more than Hitler and Nazis killed, by the way.



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09 Jul 2018, 4:25 am

XenoMind wrote:
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It's not a logical fallacy, I ask you for evidence and you talk about their stupidity. Perhaps you should remember that the far left existed long before Social Justice Warriors and their nonsense.

It is a fallacy, and your denial won't change nothing.
I don't see many leftists trying to stop this SJW insanity, and silence means compliance. And don't forget - stupidity is dangerous. Mao killed some 50 millions just because of his sheer stupidity. That's more than Hitler and Nazis killed, by the way.

Why is it a fallacy? Why are they left? Is seems to me that they are more concerned about bathrooms ans safe spaces than the rights of the working class. Whom do you think a "left" like this benefits?
If you say that a turtle is a real bird and I say it's not, you can't just respond "no true scotsman".

I don't even see why you are going "Duh, Mao killed more people than Hitler" now.



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09 Jul 2018, 9:11 am

I've noticed that radical feminists and incels/MGTOW are exactly the same.

Radical Feminism: "Women are naturally good and just. Any woman who does something bad was obviously just a victim. Any man who has ever had a bad experience with women deserved it."
Incels/MGTOW: "All women are evil. Any woman who pretends to be good is obviously faking it for attention. I'd rather have a woman who says nothing at all than a woman who says nice things."

See? Same thing?

Horseshoe theory is real.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory


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09 Jul 2018, 10:11 am

Peacesells wrote:
Why is it a fallacy? Why are they left?

Why are you asking so many questions?

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Is seems to me that they are more concerned about bathrooms ans safe spaces than the rights of the working class.

Who said that they should do that instead?



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09 Jul 2018, 11:11 am

XenoMind wrote:
Why are you asking so many questions?

It's a legitimate question, you seem to imply that they are left because they identify ( :lol: ) as such. Also, you seem to refuse to respond.
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Who said that they should do that instead?

Because that's what the left is supposed to do. Instead they are diverting the attention from such topics... Who benefits?



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09 Jul 2018, 11:31 am

Peacesells wrote:
Also, you seem to refuse to respond.

Yes, I refuse to answer any questions when you can look up for the answer in the dictionary very easily. Stop wasting my time.

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Because that's what the left is supposed to do.


"Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism) as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).[1] The term left-wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[5]"

I see zero mentions of "working class" in here.



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09 Jul 2018, 11:43 am

XenoMind wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Also, you seem to refuse to respond.

Yes, I refuse to answer any questions when you can look up for the answer in the dictionary very easily. Stop wasting my time.

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Because that's what the left is supposed to do.


"Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism) as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).[1] The term left-wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[5]"

I see zero mentions of "working class" in here.


Well, many segments of the left want to help the working class because the working class is a socially disadvantaged group.

Of course, there are some segments of the left that don't seem to care about the working class at all. For example, the radical feminists seem to think that putting a woman in charge of the whole world would solve absolutely anything without any need for economic reform.

You seem to be forgetting that the left has many different segments. The right has many different segments too. For example, white nationalists and neocons are both segments of the right … though white nationalists consider neocons to be left-wing and vice-versa.


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09 Jul 2018, 12:33 pm

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Yes, I refuse to answer any questions when you can look up for the answer in the dictionary very easily. Stop wasting my time.

I don't think that in more than 100 years of leftist politics anyone ever mentioned 378 genders, safe spaces and new pronouns. So if you say that they are the extreme left (communists?) you will have to explain why.
Also, Democrats seem often pretty SJW but lol I wouldn't call them extreme left.
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"Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism) as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).[1] The term left-wing can also refer to "the radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system".[5]"

I see zero mentions of "working class" in here.

Are you seriously suggesting that because of a Wikipedia page the left has NOTHING to do with the working class?
Even your definition perfectly fits it during the XIX and XX centuries, when many rights were lacking, and often today too.



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09 Jul 2018, 12:34 pm

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You seem to be forgetting that the left has many different segments.

You chose the wrong guy. I'm not the one who insists that the only "true leftists" are the ones who are concerned about the "working class"



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09 Jul 2018, 12:38 pm

XenoMind wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
You seem to be forgetting that the left has many different segments.

You chose the wrong guy. I'm not the one who insists that the only "true leftists" are the ones who are concerned about the "working class"


Why did you put "working class" in quotation marks?


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09 Jul 2018, 12:39 pm

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Are you seriously suggesting that because of a Wikipedia page the left has NOTHING to do with the working class?

I never suggested that at all; your reading comprehension skills need serious improvement.

You said that SJWs aren't really left because they don't care about the working class. What is based on an assumption that every single "true left" must care about the working class, or he is not left. Now, prove that.



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09 Jul 2018, 12:40 pm

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Why did you put "working class" in quotation marks?

Why not?



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09 Jul 2018, 5:24 pm

XenoMind wrote:
Peacesells wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting that because of a Wikipedia page the left has NOTHING to do with the working class?

I never suggested that at all; your reading comprehension skills need serious improvement.

You said that SJWs aren't really left because they don't care about the working class. What is based on an assumption that every single "true left" must care about the working class, or he is not left. Now, prove that.

Can you be a Christian without believing in Jesus? Certainly one can try to pull off some crappy philosophy and still do that but it'd stil be a crappy philosophy and none would take it seriously. The left is supposed to care about the working class, if someone doesn't he can call himself lefty if he likes but...
You call these people extreme left but as a matter of fact the political factions historically known to be "far left" seem to have pretty much nothing to do with them and as far as I know the vast majority of these SJW guys vote for supposedly center-left parties (which in my opinion aren't event that lefty most of the time). So I will ask you again, why do you call them the extreme left? Do you have a reason for saying it or you just take for granted what some purple haired idiot says?



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10 Jul 2018, 10:28 am

Peacesells wrote:
The left is supposed to care about the working class

Prove that.