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26 Oct 2009, 5:21 pm

TitusLucretiusCarus wrote:

What climate? I'm sorry but oppositedirection is wrong,

Can you provide any sources for this, it goes against my understanding of the matter.

To clarify, I was not saying that it was a good idea, merely has potential work very well economically. Planned/control economies provide stability and allow a country to efficiently direct its use of resources. However, they do not provide as much economic growth long term as free market economies (at least in the economic conditions of the last century). If you only desire economic growth then go free market. If you have other goals, planned/control economies could realise them but looking at history there seems much more danger that the necessary accompanying political structure will be repressive. As you point out in relation to trade unions.

However, it is the historical issue that interest me here.

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27 Oct 2009, 1:36 pm

Nazi Germany didn't have a planned economy, it was more an ultra-Keynesianism sort of thing with a immensely hypertrophied state. I believe it's referred to as military keynesianism for the emphasis on military spending. As much as I dislike wikipedia and pan it as a source of information the article here on Nazi Germany's economy is actually quite good and captures the majority of the salient details.

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31 Oct 2009, 11:05 am

Accidentally walked through the English Defence League's protest in Leeds today. I assumed initially it was football related but then I saw an English Defence League t-shirt, checked on the news later.

What struck me the most was how much they seemed to be enjoying themselves. They'd group together, perhaps hundred and fifty people, and then run down the street in one mass. The police tried to hem them in but they kept looking for ways to escape. In one case, about thirty of them jumped over a fairly high wall and almost landed on me! It was quite similar to school children playing a game based around others chasing them, the thrill of trying to outsmart those chasing you.

Equally, I saw no placards, banners, anything that might convey a political message (beyond the t-shirt). Granted, I only walked through it but usually walking through a protest is enough to know who is protesting.

In essence, most of them looked like they were there to have a good time and cause trouble than make any form of political statement. While that is independent of any associated political idea being good or bad, it does suggest to me that they have spent less time working of the theory and philosophy than your average political movement.

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31 Oct 2009, 1:07 pm

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Even if all the people of the world are as behaviourally similar as you say, they are entitled to try to preserve their genetic and phenotypic distinctiveness if they want.

It sounds innocuous enough when you phrase it like that, but what you aren't taking into account (or at least what you aren't stating outright) is that you desire to restrict the rights and freedoms of other people. You have criticized "miscegenation" without regard for the desires of the individuals involved in interracial relationships. Surely they have at least as much a right to mix their genetic and phenotypic traits as you do to preserve yours. If you want to marry someone similar to yourself, no one is going to stop you.

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31 Oct 2009, 3:58 pm

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it is a bit football related, as they are affiliated with something called 'casuals united'. why they want to associate a supposedly populist movement with wanton criminality (hooliganism) is beyond me. So it looks less like a peaceful protest movement and much more like a simple excuse to resurrect street violent whilst avoiding the harsh custodial sentences that killed off football hooliganism.

I only just found out about the sept 11 riot outside harrow mosque, which shows how out of the loop i am regarding news! (im a harrow resident)
thousands of muslims arrived to defend the mosque and literally chased the handful of EDL away brandishing weapons! then they started fighting the police

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31 Oct 2009, 4:17 pm

A people have described the EDL as "A pub group with a website". However it is worth keeping an eye on them because they may attract the attention of other groups like LVF, RHD and C18.

But yes one of the main members of the EDL used the name of a notorious Luton football hooligan as an alias.

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05 Nov 2009, 8:08 am

If british people had been less racist throughout the last century, then there wouldnt be such a heavy concentration of minorities into certain areas today.

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05 Nov 2009, 9:46 am

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If british people had been less racist throughout the last century, then there wouldnt be such a heavy concentration of minorities into certain areas today.

But now there is the tory major of london who protects you!

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05 Nov 2009, 11:01 am

WhiskeyInTheJar wrote:

psych wrote:

If british people had been less racist throughout the last century, then there wouldnt be such a heavy concentration of minorities into certain areas today.

But now there is the tory major of london who protects you!

But he doesn't. Boris knows which side his bread is buttered and as "minorities" are now the majority over much of London, he sucks up to them as much as he can. This leaves many white British people who find multiculturalism stomach-churningly repulsive no option but to head west.

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05 Nov 2009, 11:23 am

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If british people had been less racist throughout the last century, then there wouldnt be such a heavy concentration of minorities into certain areas today.

That's natural though isn't it? People want to live near their families and/or the culture they're used to.

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05 Nov 2009, 12:12 pm

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If british people had been less racist throughout the last century, then there wouldnt be such a heavy concentration of minorities into certain areas today.

That's natural though isn't it? People want to live near their families and/or the culture they're used to.

that another factor, yes. but not the only one.

An example of a displacement factor would be the job market. Someone might be inclined to move into a new city where there are better career opportunities for someone with their skills & experince, but they might decide that moving away from their home city (for the reasons youve mentioned) in combination with the xenophobia and/or hostility they anticipate in the new town, that all those factors together might be enough to put them off relocating.

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07 Nov 2009, 6:44 pm

Was browsing the English Defence League website and they have a report on the Leeds protest of last week, which I accidentally walked through. It is simply false, with deliberate lies. They state they were peacefully protesting and the police had to hold back the counter protests who were aiming to fight them. By contrast, I saw at least hundred of the English Defence League probing police lines, trying to break through to the counter protests by grouping together and pushing their way through.

I can't abide lying like this. Take us seriously and I'll try and take them seriously, fail to take us seriously and that only reinforces my opinion that they have some major deficits in their arguments.

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07 Nov 2009, 7:44 pm

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Was browsing the English Defence League website and they have a report on the Leeds protest of last week, which I accidentally walked through. It is simply false, with deliberate lies.

For info, the BNP have proscribed the EDL, believing them a fake "honey trap" organization.

I think they might be right. The EDL is a multiracial organization that has suddenly appeared out of nowhere to protest about Islamisation. It's all a bit odd.

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From BNP site

“Anyone involved in setting up a national political organisation knows that it takes a lot of money and years of hard work to create an infrastructure,” Mr Griffin said.

“The speed with which the EDL has been created shows that there is some dark hand at work — either the state or the far left — which has its own agenda at work. No one can convince us that it is possible to organise national demonstrations, printers, leaflets, posters, websites and media publicity on that scale if it truly was just a bunch of lads as is alleged,” Mr Griffin said.

“Their website shows them posing openly with masks — and the state does nothing. Can anybody imagine anyone else except state agents posing openly with masks and causing violence on the streets without being apprehended? It is so obvious what is going on that only the most stupid — or the most malicious, as is often the case with the controlled media — cannot see it.”

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08 Nov 2009, 8:38 pm

There will always be an England topic

In Canada right now, Charles and Camilla are here for a visit.

There is peace in Canada. Not so much in jolly old UK.

Canada is open to immigration. I wonder if C & C have ever considered?

They could still keep their British citizenship. As can any Brit who wants to come over.

How about it, Brits? We have loads of room.

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