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29 Jan 2007, 7:57 am

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So... if I went back in time and destroyed your embryo, that would be okay? After all, at that time you are unaware, unthinking and of no significance according to your views.

Probably so if his mother was willing. It would be like going back in time and interrupting your parents having sex.

But using this example is irrelevant because it conflicts with other morality issues concerning altering the previous states of time.

So, if somebody went back in time to do this and it was okay with your mother, you wouldn't mind at all?

Explain EXACTLY how the example is made irrelevant, with every little detail.

It is irrelevant because this example assumes that, if time travel were possible, you would be ok with someone going to the past to alter it the time continuum. You can simply agree that going back in time to destroy an embryo is wrong due to the fact that one would alter the past, and not because you think destroying embryos was wrong.

Exactly. That was what I said.

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29 Jan 2007, 11:23 am

b_ryan wrote:

libertarianism (though not the new LP) appeals to me the most.

What's your objection to the "new LP"?

As I understand it, the LP is based upon the principle of no first use of force or fraud. (Retaliatory force to stop initiated force is acceptable.) All other principles and policies derive from this.

The principle doesn't state who or what gets this right, so it leaves open issues like abortion and animal rights, where it remains controversial (as in, there is significant disagreement among libertarians) over what is classified as being protected by this right.

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30 Jan 2007, 6:06 pm

headphase wrote:

t is irrelevant because this example assumes that, if time travel were possible, you would be ok with someone going to the past to alter it the time continuum. You can simply agree that going back in time to destroy an embryo is wrong due to the fact that one would alter the past, and not because you think destroying embryos was wrong.

Wow, this became a whole more complicated since I went away.

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30 Jan 2007, 9:57 pm

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Also, the paradox would save me. When aborts me he destorys the reason he went into the past. Therefore his actions are undone.

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30 Jan 2007, 10:38 pm

Flagg wrote:

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Also, the paradox would save me. When aborts me he destorys the reason he went into the past. Therefore his actions are undone.

Assuming a tangent reality isn't formed in the process of course.

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31 Jan 2007, 8:33 pm

headphase wrote:

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Also, the paradox would save me. When aborts me he destorys the reason he went into the past. Therefore his actions are undone.

Assuming a tangent reality isn't formed in the process of course.

Even in that case I persist because there is a reality where I wasn't aborted. Face it, you cannot change the past.

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02 Feb 2007, 12:27 am

Libertarian/Whig/Classical Liberal/Whatever the heck most of us are calling ourselves these days

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12 Feb 2007, 6:09 pm

Democratic (non-revolutionary) Socialism

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12 Feb 2007, 6:26 pm

Einstein was a democratic socialist.... Balancing human behavior out, I'd say this is the most logical choice.... Liberalism is too passive, conservatism is too bloodthirsty and intolerant. Democratic Socialism would be right in the middle.

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12 Feb 2007, 6:28 pm

You do realize that democratic socialists do tend towards liberalism in most cases, don't you? It is hardly centrist.

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12 Feb 2007, 6:31 pm

Conservative Democrat... what is now known as a Republican.

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12 Feb 2007, 8:52 pm

I punched in "conservative" in that this is nearer the Constitution , and nearer too to Libertarianism, and that is near anarchy. I am an anarchist. I had one momma, I have no need for a substitute.

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13 Feb 2007, 7:56 am

nutbag wrote:

I punched in "conservative" in that this is nearer the Constitution , and nearer too to Libertarianism, and that is near anarchy. I am an anarchist. I had one momma, I have no need for a substitute.

Please don't compare Libertarianism to Anarchy. Being a third party, we have enough trouble being taken seriously in politics. lol.

I picked Conservative just because Liberalism today is such a massive joke it's sad. How we got what we have today from Martin Luther King Jr. and his ilk, I have no idea.

Just as a note on something I saw way earlier in the thread, I don't think England really has Democrats in the sense that America does. The Labour party is more along the lines of the left/central Republican party while the Conservative party is more along the lines of the right Republicans, last I checked anyway. Was a while ago.

Edit: Or, I suppose, you could call them really right wing Democrats if you wanted to.

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14 Feb 2007, 9:21 pm

red and blue are a game for you people to busy yourselves with and debate nonending issues while the boss that controls them both rules over you all. its called "divide and rule" technique,it works everywhere...

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14 Feb 2007, 10:26 pm

ASPER wrote:

Interesting, are you red or blue though? Conservatism and liberalism does go deeper than the political parties.

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14 Feb 2007, 10:36 pm

no,i just said what i think of them both,i dont want to take place in the game,i am a submitter to God and follow The Reading.
of course it goes deeper than political parties,they are words they can be applied to anything,i like to keep it like God gave his rights so i should say im a conservative then,right?
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