I have converted to atheism

Page 9 of 15 [ 227 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 ... 15 Next

Previous topic | Next topic

01001011
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 3 Mar 2010
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 991

05 Apr 2012, 12:30 pm

snapcap wrote:

You're an atheist because you've heard of the concept of God, and you believe it to be bologna because you feel the concept is lacking.

You're not an atheist because you lack the concept of God to consider.

You continued assertion holds no water. Just because some delusional people utter the string 'god' does not imply there is a 'concept of god' to be heard of.

snapcap
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Oct 2011
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,328

05 Apr 2012, 12:36 pm

01001011 wrote:

snapcap wrote:

You continued assertion holds no water. Just because some delusional people utter the string 'god' does not imply there is a 'concept of god' to be heard of.

Explain

_________________
*some atheist walks outside and picks up stick*

some atheist to stick: "You're like me!"

01001011
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 3 Mar 2010
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 991

05 Apr 2012, 12:44 pm

Do you believe 'aswuf uafius kjswiuytifasiuoc'?

Not every string of character respresent some concept. Not every sentence is a statement (e.g. Is Mary beautiful?). Only a statement can be true or false. So it makes no sense to believe a string (or sentence) being true of false if it is not a statement.

snapcap
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Oct 2011
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,328

05 Apr 2012, 12:48 pm

01001011 wrote:

Not only is God a concept, it's a meme.

_________________
*some atheist walks outside and picks up stick*

some atheist to stick: "You're like me!"

01001011
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 3 Mar 2010
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 991

05 Apr 2012, 12:51 pm

Even non-concept can be a meme. Ever heard of music or painting?

snapcap
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Oct 2011
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,328

05 Apr 2012, 12:55 pm

Ever heard of music and paintings in the conceptual stage? Ever heard of the fact you can hold the concept of a song or picture by replaying it in your head?

_________________
*some atheist walks outside and picks up stick*

some atheist to stick: "You're like me!"

01001011
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 3 Mar 2010
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 991

05 Apr 2012, 1:02 pm

The 'concept' of the chant of some tribal people? Or what kind of 'concept' Mozart's piano concerto conveys that you can talk about its truth? :lol:

Rocky
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 1 May 2008
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,074
Location: Uhhh...Not Remulak

05 Apr 2012, 1:41 pm

snapcap wrote:

I understand what you're saying. The skeptical didn't have a position, then had one, then didn't have one again.

That is not what I was saying. "Skeptic" in my scenario always had a position (even though it changed) throughout the scenario. We agree on that. Where we differ is your assertion that not believing in "Thor" as a god also requires that he believes that "Thor" is not a god, or doesn't exist.

The English language is limited. If you say you "lack a belief" it leads to your position. If you say you "lack a belieif in Thor as a god" for example, then the problem disappears. It has to be about something specific, or it leads to confusion. It is also possible to believe that Thor as a god does not exist. Those are two different things.

snapcap
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Oct 2011
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,328

05 Apr 2012, 2:31 pm

Rocky wrote:

That is not what I was saying. "Skeptic" in my scenario always had a position (even though it changed) throughout the scenario. We agree on that.

Are you saying that the skeptic does have a belief? That's not what a weak atheist is said to have.

Quote:

Where we differ is your assertion that not believing in "Thor" as a god also requires that he believes that "Thor" is not a god, or doesn't exist.

Thor could still exist even if he wasn't a God. If Thor is standing before you and you don't believe that he is God, then you just believe that Thor is not God, but you still believe in Thor if he's standing right in front of you.

Quote:

The English language is limited. If you say you "lack a belief" it leads to your position. If you say you "lack a belieif in Thor as a god" for example, then the problem disappears.

Sure, and you believe that Thor is not a God.

Quote:

It has to be about something specific, or it leads to confusion. It is also possible to believe that Thor as a god does not exist. Those are two different things.

I agree.

_________________
*some atheist walks outside and picks up stick*

some atheist to stick: "You're like me!"

Joker
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 19 Mar 2011
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,593
Location: North Carolina The Tar Heel State :)

05 Apr 2012, 2:39 pm

Oh gosh I just need to ask this Snapcap are you a atheist? If not let the atheist not believe pleas.

snapcap
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Oct 2011
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,328

05 Apr 2012, 3:56 pm

Joker wrote:

Oh gosh I just need to ask this Snapcap are you a atheist?

Maybe I am, mabye I'm not. I hold my rationalism above my belief :wink:

Quote:

If not let the atheist not believe pleas.

Never give in, never give in, never give in, never give in, never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never give in.

~Winston Churchill~

_________________
*some atheist walks outside and picks up stick*

some atheist to stick: "You're like me!"

ValentineWiggin
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 15 May 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,907
Location: Beneath my cat's paw

05 Apr 2012, 4:02 pm

snapcap wrote:

ValentineWiggin wrote:

I'm still waiting for reasoning as to why I can't disbelieve two opposite, unevidenced assertions simultaneously.

Hint:
Repeating ad nauseum that I only "believe" that I disbelieve isn't reasoning.

You can believe that you can't,

Exhibit A.

snapcap wrote:

but it does bother me that you tell me that you have the same position as a brick.

Reasoned skepticism is hardly comparable to lacking sentience, but okay. :lol:

snapcap wrote:

You're an atheist because you've heard of the concept of God, and you believe it to be bologna because you feel the concept is lacking.

Here, here. That DOESN'T mean I believe that god doesn't exist, though.

snapcap wrote:

You're not an atheist because you lack the concept of God to consider.

No, I know of the concept, and I reject that it's veracious, just like I reject the claim that no gods exist. Both are equally non-evidenced.

_________________
"Such is the Frailty
of the human Heart, that very few Men, who have no Property, have any Judgment of their own.
They talk and vote as they are directed by Some Man of Property, who has attached their Minds
to his Interest."

snapcap
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Oct 2011
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,328

05 Apr 2012, 4:05 pm

Sure, you're right.

_________________
*some atheist walks outside and picks up stick*

some atheist to stick: "You're like me!"

ValentineWiggin
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 15 May 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,907
Location: Beneath my cat's paw

05 Apr 2012, 4:10 pm

snapcap wrote:

Sure, you're right.

I know I am- I know the contents of my head, and understand the notion of reasoned skepticism of two opposite claims.

Even concepts which I don't understand, I'm not idiotic enough to go about proclaiming that NO ONE thinks in that way.

snapcap
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Oct 2011
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,328

05 Apr 2012, 4:18 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Sure, you're right.

No I meant that you were right about being skeptical doesn't mean you have a lack of sentience. Because bricks aren't skeptical, and they have no beliefs, but if you define atheism as a lack of belief, then a brick is an atheist, and you are too if you call yourself an atheist. Like brothers. But you don't lack a belief. You can say you don't know either way, and that refers to your gnosticism/agnosticism, not your belief. But the concept is there, it is a global meme as it's universally known to everyone that doesn't live under a rock(or is a rock

) , and everyone has a belief whether they will admit or not.

Do you agree with what 01001011 said? You didn't answer my question.

_________________
*some atheist walks outside and picks up stick*

some atheist to stick: "You're like me!"

ValentineWiggin
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 15 May 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,907
Location: Beneath my cat's paw

05 Apr 2012, 4:36 pm

snapcap wrote:

ValentineWiggin wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Sure, you're right.

I have no problem saying that non-sentient objects are identical in their lack of beliefs about X (fill in the blank) to reasoned skeptics.

snapcap wrote:

But you don't lack a belief.

I so totally do. :lol:

snapcap wrote:

You can say you don't know either way, and that refers to your gnosticism/agnosticism, not your belief.

I don't know either way. Which is why I don't BELIEVE either way. :thumright:

snapcap wrote:

But the concept is there, it is a global meme as it's universally known to everyone that doesn't live under a rock(or is a rock

) , and everyone has a belief whether they will admit or not.

So I'm guessing since you refuse to provide reasoning as to why this is the case,
despite having been asked by me for it several times, that you have none?

Page 9 of 15 [ 227 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 ... 15 Next

Jump to:

I have converted to atheism Post Reply New Topic

I have converted to atheism