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21 Apr 2012, 2:42 pm

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Another good holiday so tp speak would be clebebrating the history of science.


Here in the US, we now celebrate "President's Day" which combines the celebration of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. I would call it "Scientific Progress Day." I would celebrate it on the birthday of Galileo. As you all no doubt know, he suffered at the hands of the religious authorities because he publicized his scientific discoveries.


Yes he did and Galileo Galilei was Catholic oh the irony being presecuted by his own religious kind.


You have to wonder if he still believed in the Catholic faith after going through all that. Of course, he would tend to keep such amended beliefs to himself. I think this was around the time of the Inquisition.



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21 Apr 2012, 2:43 pm

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It's true in that atheists will never have their holiday. They are like the Occupy crowd that can't get their message agreed on.


Atheists have no message to spread. Atheism is a lack of a certain kind of belief, not a positive assertion of a belief.

There are no celebrations or rituals associated with atheism.

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Atheists lack the belief in God but they still believe that God doesn't exist.

Atheist's don't have any strict doctrine they all abide by, as each has their reason for believing God isn't real, but some do like to parade their belief around the holidays. Atheists like Alain de Botton would like to do more.


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21 Apr 2012, 2:45 pm

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Another good holiday so tp speak would be clebebrating the history of science.
Yes! Especially the dates of scientific advances that are important to you.


Two cheers for Einstein's Birthday. No cheers for Carl Sagan's birthday.

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I am a huge fan of Albert Einstein. Also how about a Charles Darwin day after all he is the one that came up with Evolution.


I am a fan of Einstein too. A "Scientific Progress Day" would be a holiday I could really support. One way to celebrate it would be to go "Amish" for a day. Don't use any modern technology. It would help anyone who tries it to appreciate what science and technology does for us.



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21 Apr 2012, 2:45 pm

Maybe the atheist holiday should be based around a God killer.

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It would be easy to do, as all you have to do is sit around your game console.


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21 Apr 2012, 2:47 pm

Rocky wrote:
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Another good holiday so tp speak would be clebebrating the history of science.


Here in the US, we now celebrate "President's Day" which combines the celebration of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. I would call it "Scientific Progress Day." I would celebrate it on the birthday of Galileo. As you all no doubt know, he suffered at the hands of the religious authorities because he publicized his scientific discoveries.


Yes he did and Galileo Galilei was Catholic oh the irony being presecuted by his own religious kind.


You have to wonder if he still believed in the Catholic faith after going through all that. Of course, he would tend to keep such amended beliefs to himself. I think this was around the time of the Inquisition.


After reading so many books about his life he kept his religion and sceintific research seperate. The Inquistion was a Catholic doing the prostestants that being my kind also suffered at their hands.

A lot of proestants are scienitists the methodist church is known for contribuitnig to science in it's church history. Proestants get along very well with non theists because we can simply talk about science my preacher is a fan of scienece.



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21 Apr 2012, 2:58 pm

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Another good holiday so tp speak would be clebebrating the history of science.


Here in the US, we now celebrate "President's Day" which combines the celebration of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. I would call it "Scientific Progress Day." I would celebrate it on the birthday of Galileo. As you all no doubt know, he suffered at the hands of the religious authorities because he publicized his scientific discoveries.


Yes he did and Galileo Galilei was Catholic oh the irony being presecuted by his own religious kind.


You have to wonder if he still believed in the Catholic faith after going through all that. Of course, he would tend to keep such amended beliefs to himself. I think this was around the time of the Inquisition.


After reading so many books about his life he kept his religion and sceintific research seperate. The Inquistion was a Catholic doing the prostestants that being my kind also suffered at their hands.

A lot of proestants are scienitists the methodist church is known for contribuitnig to science in it's church history. Proestants get along very well with non theists because we can simply talk about science my preacher is a fan of scienece.


I know that there are many scientists who are religious. I suspect that they believe in evolution instead of being a young earth creationist. The most secular (so to speak) religion that I know of in the west is Unitarian Universalist. Some people still want to attend church. Others, who have become atheists, are gathering at events promoted by various atheist groups, as found on meetup,com for example.



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21 Apr 2012, 3:01 pm

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also you still dont seem to see that the whole point of being an atheist is that you excactly dont belong to a coherent societal group as such,


Not so. There are organizations centered around professional interests, social or political causes, sports, community interests and various volunteer groups. We don't need no steeeenking religion to have some causes in common with other folks.

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Who is we? If people did have those things to hold them together, wouldn't it have happened? Even if they did have some of those things in common, they aren't strong enough to do the job, not like religion has. They could someday, but today is not that day.

You can't say some arbitrary thing could fill the void of religion missing from holding things together. You could just say, "Hey, you have five fingers too, we should stick together, brother."


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21 Apr 2012, 3:06 pm

Rocky wrote:
Joker wrote:
Rocky wrote:
Joker wrote:
Rocky wrote:
Joker wrote:
Another good holiday so tp speak would be clebebrating the history of science.


Here in the US, we now celebrate "President's Day" which combines the celebration of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln. I would call it "Scientific Progress Day." I would celebrate it on the birthday of Galileo. As you all no doubt know, he suffered at the hands of the religious authorities because he publicized his scientific discoveries.


Yes he did and Galileo Galilei was Catholic oh the irony being presecuted by his own religious kind.


You have to wonder if he still believed in the Catholic faith after going through all that. Of course, he would tend to keep such amended beliefs to himself. I think this was around the time of the Inquisition.


After reading so many books about his life he kept his religion and sceintific research seperate. The Inquistion was a Catholic doing the prostestants that being my kind also suffered at their hands.

A lot of proestants are scienitists the methodist church is known for contribuitnig to science in it's church history. Proestants get along very well with non theists because we can simply talk about science my preacher is a fan of scienece.


I know that there are many scientists who are religious. I suspect that they believe in evolution instead of being a young earth creationist. The most secular (so to speak) religion that I know of in the west is Unitarian Universalist. Some people still want to attend church. Others, who have become atheists, are gathering at events promoted by various atheist groups, as found on meetup,com for example.


Oh yes that is true modern Jewish people only follow Judaism because of their culture not a religious reason. Christian can be secular to I am when I say I am secualr I mean that I follow my religion but I do not let it keep me from studying things like science. Max Planck was a proestant and he invented the Quanta.



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21 Apr 2012, 3:14 pm

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ruveyn wrote:
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also you still dont seem to see that the whole point of being an atheist is that you excactly dont belong to a coherent societal group as such,


Not so. There are organizations centered around professional interests, social or political causes, sports, community interests and various volunteer groups. We don't need no steeeenking religion to have some causes in common with other folks.

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Who is we? If people did have those things to hold them together, wouldn't it have happened? Even if they did have some of those things in common, they aren't strong enough to do the job, not like religion has. They could someday, but today is not that day.

You can't say some arbitrary thing could fill the void of religion missing from holding things together. You could just say, "Hey, you have five fingers too, we should stick together, brother."


If you are saying that there are no organizations based on not believing in any gods, you will discover with a Google search that you are wrong. Religious people are anything but unified into a single organization. How many different religions are there?



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21 Apr 2012, 3:20 pm

Rocky wrote:
snapcap wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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also you still dont seem to see that the whole point of being an atheist is that you excactly dont belong to a coherent societal group as such,


Not so. There are organizations centered around professional interests, social or political causes, sports, community interests and various volunteer groups. We don't need no steeeenking religion to have some causes in common with other folks.

ruveyn


Who is we? If people did have those things to hold them together, wouldn't it have happened? Even if they did have some of those things in common, they aren't strong enough to do the job, not like religion has. They could someday, but today is not that day.

You can't say some arbitrary thing could fill the void of religion missing from holding things together. You could just say, "Hey, you have five fingers too, we should stick together, brother."


If you are saying that there are no organizations based on not believing in any gods, you will discover with a Google search that you are wrong. Religious people are anything but unified into a single organization. How many different religions are there?


Some religions have God they whorship other religions are viewed as a priactice with out a God they whorship as a group.



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21 Apr 2012, 3:30 pm

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Rocky wrote:
snapcap wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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also you still dont seem to see that the whole point of being an atheist is that you excactly dont belong to a coherent societal group as such,


Not so. There are organizations centered around professional interests, social or political causes, sports, community interests and various volunteer groups. We don't need no steeeenking religion to have some causes in common with other folks.

ruveyn


Who is we? If people did have those things to hold them together, wouldn't it have happened? Even if they did have some of those things in common, they aren't strong enough to do the job, not like religion has. They could someday, but today is not that day.

You can't say some arbitrary thing could fill the void of religion missing from holding things together. You could just say, "Hey, you have five fingers too, we should stick together, brother."


If you are saying that there are no organizations based on not believing in any gods, you will discover with a Google search that you are wrong. Religious people are anything but unified into a single organization. How many different religions are there?


Some religions have God they whorship other religions are viewed as a priactice with out a God they whorship as a group.


I understand that there are some religions without a god. Buddhism is one example. I was referring to the majority of religions based on the belief in a god (or gods.)



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21 Apr 2012, 3:31 pm

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If you are saying that there are no organizations based on not believing in any gods, you will discover with a Google search that you are wrong. Religious people are anything but unified into a single organization. How many different religions are there?


I'm not saying there aren't, but it's not enough.

I'm going to take your advice and look it up really quick.

First Church
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Atheism

Hmm, I just might have to get ordained. Many atheists are unaware of what atheism really is, and I'd like to spread the message in our special gathering place via skype.

Now if only I could get some cash to get me motivated to start, any givers? All donor will receive a stamped envelop for your good deed. S&H will apply in all cases.

After my first $5,000, I will consider a face to face meeting in front of my local public library, in front of the security cameras.


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21 Apr 2012, 3:33 pm

Rocky wrote:
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Rocky wrote:
snapcap wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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also you still dont seem to see that the whole point of being an atheist is that you excactly dont belong to a coherent societal group as such,


Not so. There are organizations centered around professional interests, social or political causes, sports, community interests and various volunteer groups. We don't need no steeeenking religion to have some causes in common with other folks.

ruveyn


Who is we? If people did have those things to hold them together, wouldn't it have happened? Even if they did have some of those things in common, they aren't strong enough to do the job, not like religion has. They could someday, but today is not that day.

You can't say some arbitrary thing could fill the void of religion missing from holding things together. You could just say, "Hey, you have five fingers too, we should stick together, brother."


If you are saying that there are no organizations based on not believing in any gods, you will discover with a Google search that you are wrong. Religious people are anything but unified into a single organization. How many different religions are there?


Some religions have God they whorship other religions are viewed as a priactice with out a God they whorship as a group.


I understand that there are some religions without a god. Buddhism is one example. I was referring to the majority of religions based on the belief in a god (or gods.)


Some religions that have belief in just God are Jewish Muslim and Christian the others have more then one God they whorship Hindus have a lot of Gods they pray to.



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21 Apr 2012, 4:52 pm

Joker wrote:
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Another good holiday so tp speak would be clebebrating the history of science.
Yes! Especially the dates of scientific advances that are important to you.


Two cheers for Einstein's Birthday. No cheers for Carl Sagan's birthday.

ruveyn


I am a huge fan of Albert Einstein. Also how about a Charles Darwin day after all he is the one that came up with Evolution.


Alfred Wallace also came up with the same theory. In fact, if Wallace had not communicated with Darwin that he (Wallace) was going to publish soon, Darwin would not have published Origin of Species while he was alive.

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21 Apr 2012, 4:56 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Joker wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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Another good holiday so tp speak would be clebebrating the history of science.
Yes! Especially the dates of scientific advances that are important to you.


Two cheers for Einstein's Birthday. No cheers for Carl Sagan's birthday.

ruveyn


I am a huge fan of Albert Einstein. Also how about a Charles Darwin day after all he is the one that came up with Evolution.


Alfred Wallace also came up with the same theory. In fact, if Wallace had not communicated with Darwin that he (Wallace) was going to publish soon, Darwin would not have published Origin of Species while he was alive.

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Hmm I have never heard that befor I thought it was all Charles Darwins theory never knew some one else came up with the same theory.....so Darwin and Alfred both deserve credit for a theory that has yet to be disprooven interesting.



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21 Apr 2012, 5:00 pm

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Hmm I have never heard that befor I thought it was all Charles Darwins theory never knew some one else came up with the same theory.....so Darwin and Alfred both deserve credit for a theory that has yet to be disprooven interesting.


Both Darwin's abstract and Wallace's papers were read in front of the scientific society of naturalists. Neither was present when the abstracts were read. The papers did not make all that much of a splash, but Darwin''s book "Origin of Species" sold out very quickly on the first printing and several other printing sold out rapidly.

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