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04 Jul 2012, 12:40 pm

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Sorry that this isn't much of a response but I am liberal. I agree with the universal healthcare, and other things. But I have work at 3 and need to get ready
Canda has a universal healthcare system and the wait at the doctors office must be hell.
Joker that is completely speculation on your part. For work (in the us) I had to wait for 2 hours to be able to do a drug test. It ended up taking 5 minutes when it was finally my turn.


Its just a repetition on his part, a few people here parrot that despite it being false
A relative said something similar but said he would be interested to here from a Canadian (any anyone else that is a receiver of universal healthcare) what they think of it on facebook. He ignored it when something from Canada comment saying they like the system that is in place for them.


That is exactly how it is here on PPR too :lol: there are plenty of Canadians here, and afaik, not one has anything negative to say about our healthcare


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04 Jul 2012, 12:40 pm

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The hostility towards liberals is primarily motivated by jealousy on the part of populist conservatives who are unsuccessful in life and need to have a scapegoat for their failures.


Where did you get that idea? To quote a liberal I know, "I'd like to see you cite a source for that rather amazing claim." Populist conservatives are unsuccesful in life? From my perspective, that seems to be the exact opposite of the truth. In my experience, liberals have consistently shown themselves to be bitter and spiteful. I've talked a lot to both parties, and conservatives have never shown themselves jealous or bitter, whereas liberals have managed to show themselves that way almost every single time. Especially if they're internet heroes, speaking out in favour of gay marriage as loudly as an obscure forum will allow them to, they're a close-minded group.

What I found even more hilarious is that people's political opinion is often the exact opposite of their personal opinion. I know liberals who want to shut everyone up who doesn't agree with the most narrow of their interpretations of things not meant to be interpreted. Conservatives have to challenge their narrow point of view, and find themselves ignored and ridiculed. Liberals are at least equally notorious for ignoring facts that don't suit their ideology. One time, to recall one of the least offensive examples, I was playing Minecraft online. Now, the people I was playing it with - eight or nine others - had all kinds of political ideas, but there were two main groups - the socialists and the right-wingers. We had a cooperative camp, and everything went well for a few hours. When we were no longer under immediate threat, the situation suddenly changed. The right-wingers mostly stayed near the fort, helped expand it, and shared their resources. The socialists, meanwhile, took what they could get and started living on their own, then failing to do so and quitting.

As for the hate on this specific forum, it seems to originate almost exclusively from the liberal camp.



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04 Jul 2012, 12:42 pm

The hypocrite train is rolling


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04 Jul 2012, 12:43 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
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The hostility towards liberals is primarily motivated by jealousy on the part of populist conservatives who are unsuccessful in life and need to have a scapegoat for their failures.


Where did you get that idea? To quote a liberal I know, "I'd like to see you cite a source for that rather amazing claim." Populist conservatives are unsuccesful in life? From my perspective, that seems to be the exact opposite of the truth. In my experience, liberals have consistently shown themselves to be bitter and spiteful. I've talked a lot to both parties, and conservatives have never shown themselves jealous or bitter, whereas liberals have managed to show themselves that way almost every single time. Especially if they're internet heroes, speaking out in favour of gay marriage as loudly as an obscure forum will allow them to, they're a close-minded group.

As for the hate on this specific forum, it seems to originate almost exclusively from the liberal camp.
Sure... :wink: I would like to site a few members, but that would probably be considered a personal attack.


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04 Jul 2012, 1:13 pm

playing the blame game on a forum like ppr is a surefire way of making everyone lose.


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04 Jul 2012, 1:15 pm

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playing the blame game on a forum like ppr is a surefire way of making everyone lose.
Or everyone win :D


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04 Jul 2012, 1:19 pm

nah the cost to the system is too high,

heated debates crash the servers, im sure thats why we are experiencing all these WP brownouts lately.

on a slightly more serious note, the fact that any such games requires the ritual sacrifice of what may be a perfectly good thread suggests otherwise.


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04 Jul 2012, 1:40 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
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The hostility towards liberals is primarily motivated by jealousy on the part of populist conservatives who are unsuccessful in life and need to have a scapegoat for their failures.


Where did you get that idea? To quote a liberal I know, "I'd like to see you cite a source for that rather amazing claim." Populist conservatives are unsuccesful in life? From my perspective, that seems to be the exact opposite of the truth. In my experience, liberals have consistently shown themselves to be bitter and spiteful. I've talked a lot to both parties, and conservatives have never shown themselves jealous or bitter, whereas liberals have managed to show themselves that way almost every single time. Especially if they're internet heroes, speaking out in favour of gay marriage as loudly as an obscure forum will allow them to, they're a close-minded group.

What I found even more hilarious is that people's political opinion is often the exact opposite of their personal opinion. I know liberals who want to shut everyone up who doesn't agree with the most narrow of their interpretations of things not meant to be interpreted. Conservatives have to challenge their narrow point of view, and find themselves ignored and ridiculed. Liberals are at least equally notorious for ignoring facts that don't suit their ideology. One time, to recall one of the least offensive examples, I was playing Minecraft online. Now, the people I was playing it with - eight or nine others - had all kinds of political ideas, but there were two main groups - the socialists and the right-wingers. We had a cooperative camp, and everything went well for a few hours. When we were no longer under immediate threat, the situation suddenly changed. The right-wingers mostly stayed near the fort, helped expand it, and shared their resources. The socialists, meanwhile, took what they could get and started living on their own, then failing to do so and quitting.

As for the hate on this specific forum, it seems to originate almost exclusively from the liberal camp.



A lot of AMERICANS who call themselves conservatives these days tend to be extraordinarily idealistic. They try to argue that the world is fair, people have absolute free will, and if you work hard you will always be rewarded. This bullsh*t about self-reliance really cracks me up because modern civilization ultimately does not allow it. Everyone is interconnected in the 21st century. The closest a person can come to self-reliance requires enormous amounts of money(read MILLION$). Most people will never achieve that kind of affluence no matter how hard they work, and you can bet your bottom dollar that those who have money like this have an incentive to prevent those who don't from getting the chance that they did! America is not a cooperative society, it is a competitive society where the success of others means your failure.



04 Jul 2012, 1:45 pm

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The hostility towards liberals is primarily motivated by jealousy on the part of populist conservatives who are unsuccessful in life and need to have a scapegoat for their failures.


Where did you get that idea? To quote a liberal I know, "I'd like to see you cite a source for that rather amazing claim." Populist conservatives are unsuccesful in life? From my perspective, that seems to be the exact opposite of the truth. In my experience, liberals have consistently shown themselves to be bitter and spiteful. I've talked a lot to both parties, and conservatives have never shown themselves jealous or bitter, whereas liberals have managed to show themselves that way almost every single time. Especially if they're internet heroes, speaking out in favour of gay marriage as loudly as an obscure forum will allow them to, they're a close-minded group.

What I found even more hilarious is that people's political opinion is often the exact opposite of their personal opinion. I know liberals who want to shut everyone up who doesn't agree with the most narrow of their interpretations of things not meant to be interpreted. Conservatives have to challenge their narrow point of view, and find themselves ignored and ridiculed. Liberals are at least equally notorious for ignoring facts that don't suit their ideology. One time, to recall one of the least offensive examples, I was playing Minecraft online. Now, the people I was playing it with - eight or nine others - had all kinds of political ideas, but there were two main groups - the socialists and the right-wingers. We had a cooperative camp, and everything went well for a few hours. When we were no longer under immediate threat, the situation suddenly changed. The right-wingers mostly stayed near the fort, helped expand it, and shared their resources. The socialists, meanwhile, took what they could get and started living on their own, then failing to do so and quitting.

As for the hate on this specific forum, it seems to originate almost exclusively from the liberal camp.



I got it from actually taking a good hard look at angry conservatives who fume at liberals and try to argue that liberals "ruined" our civilization and are to blame for everything. These people are UNSUCCESSFUL and unable to adapt to social change and lay the blame on those they see as responsible for changes they feel unfairly ruined their chances of being rewarded for their efforts. Just look at Jim Adkison who shot up the Unitarian Church in Tennessee!



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04 Jul 2012, 2:38 pm

Exactly how are the people who want to keep a natural status quo for their benefit unsuccesful?



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04 Jul 2012, 2:39 pm

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Exactly how are the people who want to keep a natural status quo for their benefit unsuccesful?


What is the natural status quo?


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04 Jul 2012, 3:14 pm

The way it is now. The way it is, and would remain unless something noteworthy happened.



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04 Jul 2012, 3:15 pm

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The way it is now. The way it is, and would remain unless something noteworthy happened.


That is very vague and open to interpretation, negative or positive


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04 Jul 2012, 3:29 pm

Apparently, conservatives want the situation to remain as it is.
Billionaires can influence politicians, corporations run politics.
Why are they unsuccesful if that's their goal and they're doing nicely?



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04 Jul 2012, 5:12 pm

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Apparently, conservatives want the situation to remain as it is.


I haven't noticed this at all. They want to do radical economic experiments in libertarianism that have never been attempted before. They have spent the last 30 years chipping away at the highly succesful mixed economy, with predictable results. I regard present-day conservatives as radicalized ideologues, who favour dramatic and rapid change.



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04 Jul 2012, 5:47 pm

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Apparently, conservatives want the situation to remain as it is.
Billionaires can influence politicians, corporations run politics.
Why are they unsuccesful if that's their goal and they're doing nicely?


What conservative party are you talking about? In my own country, ours is instituting very radical changes, mostly behind closed doors. That does not sound very Conservative.


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