Are autistics conservatives or liberals?

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22 Aug 2012, 9:14 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

More evidence of low-functioning autistics being conservative:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tex ... 45603.html

First you need a definition of "conservative". Then you need a definition of "low functioning". Then you need something resembling a scientific study. Then you need a corroboration of the study done independently of the first study. If you lack any of these elements you dealing with hot gas and vaporware.

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22 Aug 2012, 10:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

More evidence of low-functioning autistics being conservative:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tex ... 45603.html

Whether this judge is autistic of neurotypical, he certainly comes across as mentally low functioning.

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22 Aug 2012, 10:51 pm

Tequila wrote:

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I'm not saying they're good, I'm saying the other option is worse.

A lot worse. At least under a proper, direct democracy, the people can vote on the issues that affect them and if they don't like the way their country is being run can change things.

An "intellectual" political élite that simply can't be removed is very dangerous IMO.

Intellectual elites are replaceable. However, you cannot replace the masses. Reality is not a consensus. To determine reality requires syllogistic thought. And AFAIC, those who show the ability and willingness to use it consistently are those who should rule. Ordinary people can be duped into believing the most outlandish things by someone who is charismatic and persuasive and knows how to manipulate their emotions. Just look at America: People clearly do not vote in their best interests and plenty of politicians exploit this to get elected into office and then use their position to pursue their OWN agenda at the expense of the people who elected them. The founding fathers of the United States were intelligent men with much foresight that today's politicians clearly lack.

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22 Aug 2012, 10:53 pm

AspieRogue wrote:

Tequila wrote:

Ancalagon wrote:

I'm not saying they're good, I'm saying the other option is worse.

I thought that quote was attributable to H.L. Mencken.

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23 Aug 2012, 5:22 am

NowhereMan1966 wrote:

I think you'd fit in with the libertarians fairly well. My views are more or less the same as yours as you stated.

I suppose that, in American parlance, you could call me a mild libertarian.

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23 Aug 2012, 6:45 am

AspieRogue wrote:

Ordinary people can be duped into believing the most outlandish things by someone who is charismatic and persuasive and knows how to manipulate their emotions. Just look at America: People clearly do not vote in their best interests and plenty of politicians exploit this to get elected into office and then use their position to pursue their OWN agenda at the expense of the people who elected them.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1E9MiUECXU[/youtube]

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23 Aug 2012, 6:55 am

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Raptor wrote:

/\ /\ Yeah, whatever. All conservatives are ret*ds or whatever. /\ /\
:roll:

Admitted defeat already? I haven't read the paper yet.

No, it's just too deep for me to bother with.

The author hasn't responded to my request for a copy of the article. Which would lend support Raptor's assertion that Liberals are douchebags.

Or, more likely, that Academicians tend to be douchebags. This truth is already sufficiently self-evident, such that no-one will bother challenging it.

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23 Aug 2012, 9:59 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

One could argue that left-wing males lack upper body strength, since research seem to show that having a strong body leads to having right wing views in males. So generally speaking one could say that autistic males that work out are conservative, while those who do not are liberal. Do not know if the same goes up for women

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23 Aug 2012, 10:04 am

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ArrantPariah wrote:

Do you have any citations?

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23 Aug 2012, 10:10 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

ArrantPariah wrote:

More evidence of low-functioning autistics being conservative:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/tex ... 45603.html

Whether this judge is autistic of neurotypical, he certainly comes across as mentally low functioning.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

When you consider that judges, governors, and Presidential candidates are supposed to be among your intellectual elite, people like Judge Tom Head and Governor Rick Perry reflect very poorly upon both Texans and Conservatives. In a debate, Rick Perry said that he would like to execute Ben Bernanke for treason, when the governor obviously doesn't have the slightest idea what the Federal Reserve Board's mission is. Judge Tom Head is dumb enough that he would have no problem in passing sentence.

Texas also has a Family Law Judge, William Adams, who was caught on video severely beating his daughter.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03/te ... z1chgYJ3Sm

Conservatives obviously have a tendency towards violence and stupidity.

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23 Aug 2012, 10:20 am

I absolutely hate elitism. I'm not against taking an expert's word over a layman's when it comes to having a background in a certain field, but human nature is a field so foggy that the best we can do is make crap shots about what's beyond it. Human nature is irreductibly complex so anyone who thinks they're purely logical is vastly underestimating the role heuristics play in their perceptions.

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23 Aug 2012, 10:32 am

I'm mainly libertarian in my views on most issues up for debate.

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23 Aug 2012, 10:45 am

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Irreducibly complex???

:lmao:

If that were the case, manipulating people would not be possible....And it clearly is. However, if that's what you WANT to believe, then *more power to you*(sarcasm).

Those who oppose elitism seem to be those who believe that not only are people magically complex, but that they are basically good and deserve to be free. AFAIC, that is the essence of liberalism.

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23 Aug 2012, 10:58 am

AspieRogue wrote:

AceOfSpades wrote:

Irreducibly complex???

:lmao:

If that were the case, manipulating people would not be possible....And it clearly is. However, if that's what you WANT to believe, then *more power to you*(sarcasm).

Don't confuse your misinterpretations with that I actually mean. I don't mean people are so irreductibly complex that they're impossible to exploit, I mean that human nature is so irreductibly complex that we can't make sense out of it from a purely reductive approach like we can with say physics.

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Those who oppose elitism seem to be those who believe that not only are people magically complex, but that they are basically good and deserve to be free. AFAIC, that is the essence of liberalism.

Human behaviour and thought is subject to many factors which is further complicated by them being subject to a wide range of interpretations. What a magical concept :roll:

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My opposition to elitism is not based on some naive trust of people but based on the fact that nobody knows what's best for you better than yourself. Not the masses, not some anointed group of elitists. This of course runs into some moral quandaries where too much individual power can interfere with the freedom of others, but as a rule of thumb your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins which I think works fine in most cases.

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23 Aug 2012, 11:05 am

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And what convinces you that your elites are any less susceptible to manipulation or moral and intellectual follies than the so-called masses? If anything, an inherently evil or stupid human race would make giving any humans power over others a horrible idea.

It's true that no one knows everything, but this applies to everyone in society. I would sooner trust a bus driver with driving buses than I would most economists or physicists. Furthermore, widespread ignorance among the general population has everything to do with our society's authoritarian structure, since some people can afford better education in politically or scientifically relevant areas than others, who in turn have too many personal issues to juggle before they can even consider what affects larger society. Innate public stupidity or evil has nothing to do with it.

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23 Aug 2012, 11:15 am

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If anything, an inherently evil or stupid human race would make giving any humans power over others a horrible idea.

Sadly, human nature is the greatest enemy of freedom.

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