Feminists whats your opinion on men that have been victims

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Sometimes it is down to me, but in many cases it isn't. I have externally visible behaviors(like talking to myself out loud and pacing in circles compulsively) that attract negative attention and cause me to be treated badly even though I'm not hurting anybody.
Lemme spell it out: You can control your own actions, you cannot control other peoples REACTIONS! The reality of life is that people are going to judge you on things that you don't have any control over. Denying this and railing at me is not going to make it any less true.


Most people who live in rich, western European social democracies probably do find that most people around them appear to be basically good. But MOST people in this world do not live in societies like that.

I am in the US I tend to move around every 2-3 years due to certain situations. I keep my social circle rathers small because there are so few people I trust who are not going to judge me before getting to know me. In the States at least there is still a lot of prejudice that goes on and nobody trusts anyone and it seems to be in everyone elses view is that trust is for suckers and worthy to exploit. If someone is different and or unknown the rest of the population is going to bully you treat you like crap and apparently it is starting to seem acceptable in society until over many generations until over time it is noticed as unacceptable. So in order to feel accepted anywhere basically hide your inner self because any sign of weakness they will chew you up and spit you out. People who come up and pretend to be your friend will have the tendancy to scam you into something to make a quick buck or something else on that level, and if you are a victim of something like that everyone else will say "well serves you right" its messed up but true. If you are in a bad situation and are injured somewhere and you ask someone for help they will walk away and ignore you or tell you "its not my problem" and keep walking. There may be one person if you are lucky that might care and dial 911 for help but chances of that happening are maybe 10% at best. Everyone is only out for themselves here they will only be nice for short periods of time in order to see if someone will soften up so that way they can attack them to make themselves feel better or con them. Even if you are to go to a church perhaps you will be greeted with smiles but they are fake for when they go home they will most likely not care about you.

What irritates me about guys like Hopper is that they don't understand that what works for them really doesn't work for others(partly because some people out there really aren't nearly as adaptable as he is)and that ultimately they aren't as smart as they think they are.

Hopper has expressed in other threads that he is a liberal. And what bugs me about other liberals is that unlike me, they have this idealistic, positive view of the world that is just too good to be true.

One thing I have learned during my time on this planet is that having a positive view of the world doesn't increase your chances of being abused. Having a negative view of the world can, however, decrease your chances of being helped by people who are good enough to reach out to you, because you can't see them.

Very nice.

Actually, when it comes to abusive people, your attitude has no effect on whether or not they choose to pick on you. The world does not run on empathy, it runs on power. If only my fellow liberals would learn to understand and accept this we could work on making some REAL progress.

Show me some statistical or experimental data that backs up your assumption.
I am agnostic on this matter you seem to have access to a higher power.

I guess in a way most people are generally good but only in their early years as babies, however overtime they become twisted and corrupt and no longer are good. Perhaps a tiny glimmer of goodness may still exist but in only a small percentage of the population. When people are still very good and show it others have trouble coping with that and view them as weak and gullible therefore making it an excuse to attack that person and feel temporary satisfaction out of it

That is a hypothesis what have you done to check it?

IDK about him but I have done puh-len-ty over the last 16 years to put this to the test by assuming it to be true. I cannot even keep track of all the selfish things other people have done that came at my expense. And FYI, just because someone is selfish most of the time, or if someone who appears to be altruistic takes advantage of certain people at certain times, does NOT make them a sociopath! I'm sorry if the life experiences of AspieOtaku and myself do not fit your worldview, but that's not our problem.

By dealing with years of abuse as well as observing former friends growing up.At first they are kind but slowly over time they change and become a different person and corrupt with hateful intentions.Similar to why people become bullies.

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Too small of a sample and a huge sample bias.
I suggest you find a method of correcting this random sampling is the industry standard.

JakobVirgil, you are the one who made the claim that most people are 'good'. Therefore, YOU are the one who bears the burden of proof to demonstrate your claims! I am not claiming the contrary, I was providing counterexamples from persona experience. Another thing to remember is that you CANNOT prove anything with statistics. Hope that helps.

The biggest problem is the definition of "good". Hell, I'm not even that good with philosophy but just between various form of deontological ethics I could argue at least 3 or 4 different definitions. That leaves out consequentialism and pragmatic ethics. Heck, even if we could decide on "good", we'd have to come to an agreement on whether we want to speak in terms of individual good or collective good, then universalism, absolutism, we could go on for days.

A somewhat smaller problem is that determining whether or not people are "mostly" "good" from an empirical point of view is difficult. Not only due to the definition itself, but also due to the severe limitations of any experiments or statistics.

The problem with the experiments are the conditions surrounding them.
The problem with statistics that there are too many independent variables that can distort the picture given, and that's not even touching on the manipulation that can be done consciously or unconsciously by the person making them.

A slightly larger example over time working in customer service, retail and fast food, I have noticed there have been customers or people as it were who decide to abuse employees such as myself to make them selves feel better about themselves knowing we cannot retaliate without fear of being fired from our occupations. There are some that become hostile and abusive due to simply having a bad day so they feel it is ok to let all their hatred and anger out on those who work low end jobs because they think that low end workers are deemed less than human and have no emotions. As time goes by me as well as others absorb the daily rage and hatred and some of us allow the hatred over time to consume us, thus becoming monsters who will bully and exploit others as well. If that is not convincing enough I will use examples of history studied and why wars are waged take a look at history like Hitler for example he may have started out good as a child but over years of being oppressed and treated sub human and after writing the book "my struggle" he became corrupt and hateful of others and as a result he became a hateful dictator as well as a monster wanting to kill millions. If this does not help enough I am sorry maybe asking a shrink who works with convicts from prison may be more convincing most people may start out good and innocent until over time they become corrupt and are no longer good, it depends on the persons environment, upbringing , followed by the persons choices he or she makes.

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Great thread.

And there are many definitions of good and evil, btw. A victim of any crime or abuse doesn't have to rely on one definition of good to feel victimized by an evil committed onto them.