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ArrantPariah
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24 Nov 2012, 9:11 am

Inuyasha wrote:

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And, here is a summary of Sean Hannity's nonsense

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/0 ... ars/190130

Thank you for reminding me what a pit of lying vipers Fox is. I needed something to rekindle my rage. :twisted:

And you know something, to attack the President is one thing - that's what political opponents do - but to attack the first lady is going below low. I don't recall Democrats attacking Republican first ladies.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

If media matters is your star source your case is in serious trouble considering they declared a proverbial jihad against Fox News which is a highly partisan act, and in violation of Federal Law considering their tax-exempt status.

Your accusation that Media Matters is "in violation of Federal Law concerning their tax-exempt status" had already been completely debunked.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt178306.html

Grow up already.

It really is a good thing that we have Media Matters

http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/03/2 ... a-w/184699

a little website that will bravely stand against the vicious right-wing nutjobs who are out to tear the country apart.

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24 Nov 2012, 10:18 am

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I fail to see how you can get around the quotes provided by media matters. Stuff like Michele Malkin calling the President "the thug -in - chief," or the ugly things said about the First Lady are indefensible, even if they were - as you claim - taken out of context.

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24 Nov 2012, 10:35 am

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Everything ArrantPariah's source said was backed up with direct quotes from Fox News. Sort of hard to get around that point.

I really don't feel like having to waste my time to demonstrate mediamatters' blatent dishonesty when the two of you should know better by now...

See? A very quick and effective way to win an argument against someone who possesses blatant disregard for spelling.

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24 Nov 2012, 1:10 pm

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You mean like the partial quotes like the last time where you guys were claiming Glenn Beck was advocating that people should shoot liberals in the head, when the full video demonstrated that wasn't even remotely what he was saying....

Here is the full text.

http://mediamatters.org/video/2011/01/2 ... the/175432

Nothing lifted out of context.

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24 Nov 2012, 1:12 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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Inuyasha wrote:

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Comparing Obama to Lincoln is extremely disrespectful to President Lincoln.

Lincoln had just been inaugerated and the South rebelled, he hadn't even done anything yet.

A lot of people are extremely opposed to Obama due to his record, Fast & Furious is a perfect example as to why.

Then we have the situation in Benghazi, which could arguably be grounds for impeachment.

The south rebelled over what Lincoln 'might' do; the people that created those petitions are protesting what Obama's White House as well as the Federal Government has done. They haven't taken up arms, unless they do so, and until they fire the first shot (which I suspect they won't), this is quite frankly a 1st Amendment issue.

As Lincoln was pro-civil rights and anti-states rights, I'd say Obama has more in common with Lincoln than you might think. And opposition to Obama began long before Bengahzi or Fast & Furious. The people who hate him do so because of half truths and all out lies concerning Obamacare, socialism, regionalism (pro-south, mostly) the President's religion, and, yes, I'll say it, the color of his skin (and no, that's not directed at you). And I'll remind you, despite the Obama haters you site, the majority of Americans still reelected Obama.

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Obama is not pro-civil rights well let me re-phrase he's only for it when it is conveinent. If he was pro-civil rights there would be some individuals from the New-black panthers whom would be sitting in prison right now for voter-intimidation, and they got away with it twice now.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU[/youtube]

So the idea that Obama is pro-civil rights is rather laughable.

Btw, the Bush DoJ actually got a conviction but in 2009 Obama's DoJ dismissed the charges.

@ Cornflake

You are giving a false equivalency, Lincoln would never have approved of something like what is seen in the video above.

Right, Obama is personally responsible for people standing around doing nothing.

I bet if they were white you wouldn't care.

Actually I would care, and I'm also part Native American and quite frankly you just gave a shining example why I have next to no respect for liberals in general.

The two people in the youtube were convicted of Voter Intimidation due to Prosecutors from the Bush era DoJ. Their convictions were promptly negated when the Obama DoJ dismissed the charges after the conviction...

A federal court in Washington, D.C., ruled last week that a number of President Obama’s political appointees within the U.S. Department of Justice did in fact interfere with the prosecution of two New Black Panther party members who were videotaped holding a night stick and intimidating voters outside a Philadelphia voting station back in 2008.

Thus far, both Attorney General Eric Holder and the Justice Department have denied the involvement of political leadership in the case, something that is now being called into question.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/federal ... tion-case/

A former Justice Department attorney who quit his job to protest the Obama administration's handling of the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case is accusing Attorney General Eric Holder of dropping the charges for racially motivated reasons.

J. Christian Adams, now an attorney in Virginia and a conservative blogger for Pajamas Media, says he and the other Justice Department lawyers working on the case were ordered to dismiss it.

"I mean we were told, 'Drop the charges against the New Black Panther Party,'" Adams told Fox News, adding that political appointees Loretta King, acting head of the civil rights division, and Steve Rosenbaum, an attorney with the division since 2003, ordered the dismissal.

Asked about the Justice Department's claim that they are career attorneys, not political appointees, Adams said "obviously, that's false."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06 ... z2CzCRwz5M

Reason I actually know about this is because I don't drink mediamatter's kool-aid.

Pick a source that isn't Fox news and I'll be more than happy to read it.

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24 Nov 2012, 2:26 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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The First Amendment lives!

ruveyn

Regardless, I expect more class from a so-called news network.

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24 Nov 2012, 2:36 pm

If it makes us Americans feel better- theyre gonna vote on secession in Catalonia- the eastern chunk of Spain ( basically the same piece of land that was the Kingdom of Aragon before it united with Castile to form Spain shortly before Columubus's voyage).

The spark was debt- I guess the catalonians want to get out of paying spains foriegn debts.

Anyway- breaking up seems to be the vougue thing to do these days.

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24 Nov 2012, 2:44 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Here is the full text.

http://mediamatters.org/video/2011/01/2 ... the/175432

Nothing lifted out of context.

Good God. That man needs to get back on his meds. Talk about paranoia. And apparently it's contagious. He says nothing of substance, but says it with such passion that people actually listen. I have relatives who deify him, and they've become just as foam-at-the-mouth about Obama as he is. What really gets me is that I don't think of Obama as progressive at all. I think he's a centrist. So centrist that he's almost a Republican. Still a better choice, IMO, than the rich guy who wanted to unwind women's rights.

What's up with the swastika behind him?

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24 Nov 2012, 2:45 pm

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The First Amendment lives!

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Oh, I'd never argue that they don't have the right to say it. I'll argue all day that it destroys their credibility and puts a stain across the entire network.

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24 Nov 2012, 6:42 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

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The First Amendment lives!

ruveyn

Oh, I'd never argue that they don't have the right to say it. I'll argue all day that it destroys their credibility and puts a stain across the entire network.

Their credibility is already ruined with sane people.

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24 Nov 2012, 7:05 pm

As much as the whole Civil War thing is ingrained in me, I'm very much against this. It's a huge threat to national security. Plus, I wouldn't get to wear a hoop skirt, so no.

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24 Nov 2012, 7:34 pm

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Their credibility is already ruined with sane people.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

If they remain on the air it means their rating are sufficiently high. Some people like that kind of rough talk.

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24 Nov 2012, 7:40 pm

I think seceding is a stupid idea regardless of what a majority thinks, because it would leave the US fragmented and vulnerable. All these period costume wearing morons like to think of their selves as the legacy of the founding fathers, but the truth is, if the colonies didn't unite, we wouldn't have won the Revolutionary War. My allegiance is to the United States of America and the ideals of freedom, republicanism, justice, and equality, which were supposed to have united people of different backgrounds under a new national identity. Its not to the Un-united States of America.

I think the real people that should be interrogated as being communist subversives aren't centrist Democrats, but rather these right wing secessionist types. For all we know, they're secretly party members trying to make America vulnerable to foreign invasion through fragmentation. I don't really believe this, but, hey, I have as much a right to talk out my ass as they do.

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24 Nov 2012, 7:46 pm

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I agree. Secession will destroy the United States surer and quicker than just about anything else.

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24 Nov 2012, 7:57 pm

I think a lot of this secessionist crap wouldn't be as big as it is if we had a more white president too. I don't really buy the idea that state government is less corrupt than Federal government either. My experience of living in Arizona has shown me otherwise.

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24 Nov 2012, 7:59 pm

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Their credibility is already ruined with sane people.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

If they remain on the air it means their rating are sufficiently high. Some people like that kind of rough talk.

ruveyn

There are many dumb and bigoted people. But are their numbers good for America?

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